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Old 24 Feb 2017, 02:49 (Ref:3714391)   #1
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ARDC destroys Muscle Car Masters

Since 2005 the Muscle Car Masters has been one of the most enjoyable dates on Australia's motor racing calendar.This year the ARDC has decided to wreck the joint.
They have announced they are running a 6 Hour combined Production Car/Prodsports/Improved Production race at the meeting split into 2 3 hour races with one on each day.If you don't immediately realise how ridiculous this is let me give you a few reasons
1This is a historic car based meeting
22-3 of the existing historic categories will have to be axed to make time on the schedule
3None of the top Production car teams will run partially because they are mixed in with other categories and partially because it is only a few weeks before the final round of their national series
4 Very few people want to watch long distance Production racing.When 3-4 hour events have been held there on Nationals programs most people have either left at or just after the start if it was in the afternoon or arrived when it was finishing if it was in the morning.
5Muscle Car Masters is not a cheap ticket only about $10 less than a Supercar round at the track.I think most of the crowd will decide it is not worth the money for half a days historic sprint racing and stay home
6There was little competitor support for this race concept when it was scheduled for January and was cancelled due to lack of entries
The ARDC press release for this talks about it being a "good fit" for the MCM.No it isn't.
I have been a member of the ARDC for over 40 years and never thought they could make a decision as stupid as their sign off on the track extensions which wasted $10 mill on a piece of road where speeds were more suited to a car park rather than a race track but this comes close.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 07:12 (Ref:3714423)   #2
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I agree. Modern-ish production cars don't really have a place at MCM.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 08:23 (Ref:3714433)   #3
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Moving MCM from fathers day was a stupid idea, but this is the final nail in the coffin.
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 09:28 (Ref:3714445)   #4
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Aren't Chevron part-owners of the MCM too?

I don't think it will make much difference or lose any categories will it?

The Saturday 3hr is being held into dusk, and the Sunday 3hr part is held in the morning, i don't think it will interfere that much.

They've been doing the same things since 2005, and its not as if modern cars haven't raced at MCM before. They've had Aussie Racing Cars, Kuhmo V8s, modern Sports Sedans etc....

It'll be right
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 20:47 (Ref:3714584)   #5
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Aren't Chevron part-owners of the MCM too?

I don't think it will make much difference or lose any categories will it?

The Saturday 3hr is being held into dusk, and the Sunday 3hr part is held in the morning, i don't think it will interfere that much.

They've been doing the same things since 2005, and its not as if modern cars haven't raced at MCM before. They've had Aussie Racing Cars, Kuhmo V8s, modern Sports Sedans etc....

It'll be right
They cannot fit in 6 hours of racing plus an hour of practice /qualifying without losing other stuff.TransAm is one category that I know has been dropped.
If the Sunday race starts at 9 there goes half the day.
Looking at your modern categories Kuhmo's definitely fit in with the touring car history theme of the event,sports sedans are pretty retro in body shape and age of most cars and Aussie Racing Cars was a one off deal because it was the only way they could have a race in NSW that year.
It won't be fine because people will not pay $40 for 3-4 hours of historic racing.I am a fan of long distance production racing so I know what a turn off it is for most spectators.Betcha the crowd is down 50-75%
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Old 24 Feb 2017, 21:36 (Ref:3714591)   #6
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How have the crowds been over the last few years? IMO they have already looked down from, say, 5 years ago?
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Old 25 Feb 2017, 05:13 (Ref:3714617)   #7
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How have the crowds been over the last few years? IMO they have already looked down from, say, 5 years ago?
The crowds fell off after the golden years of 2006-2008 mainly I suspect because the novelty factor had worn off.They took a big plunge in 2014 when there were no TCM races and a wet Sunday morning.Went up to 2012-13 levels in 2015 when TCM returned.Were only a bit below that number last year despite no TCM races.
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Last time I went was in 2011.

Perhaps a revamp of the concept, taking note of the Goodwood revival-style events?

i.e. historics only (Tin-top AND openwheelers), with the exception being TCM.
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Old 25 Feb 2017, 07:31 (Ref:3714636)   #9
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Moving MCM from fathers day was a stupid idea, but this is the final nail in the coffin.
Their hand was kind of forced by the inclusion & scheduling of the August V8 race wasn't it?
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Old 25 Feb 2017, 07:35 (Ref:3714638)   #10
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Last time I went was in 2011.

Perhaps a revamp of the concept, taking note of the Goodwood revival-style events?

i.e. historics only (Tin-top AND openwheelers), with the exception being TCM.
What makes Goodwood Festival work is the availability of a large number of historic F1's and Le Mans cars(and contemporary examples of same).Everything else is a bonus novelty.Australia hardly has access to the same pool of cars.Same sort of applies to the Revival .
These are not viable formats in Australia because the cars don't exist here in sufficient numbers.
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The crowds fell off after the golden years of 2006-2008 mainly I suspect because the novelty factor had worn off.They took a big plunge in 2014 when there were no TCM races and a wet Sunday morning.Went up to 2012-13 levels in 2015 when TCM returned.Were only a bit below that number last year despite no TCM races.
So if the crowds are falling off, whats the problem with trying something new?

It might even tempt a few of the drivers who are there for the MCM to compete in the race?

The likes of Group C/A & Group Na/b/c will be there, so the spirit of the event will still be there.

If it doesn't work, drop the idea for 2018?
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Old 26 Feb 2017, 00:47 (Ref:3714759)   #12
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So if the crowds are falling off, whats the problem with trying something new?

It might even tempt a few of the drivers who are there for the MCM to compete in the race?

The likes of Group C/A & Group Na/b/c will be there, so the spirit of the event will still be there.

If it doesn't work, drop the idea for 2018?
Trying something new is always a good idea but 6 hours of endurance racing for a butchers picnic combination of state level competitors is clearly nothing to do with what spectators want to see.Competitors either judging by the tiny response when this event was proposed for January.
There is no prospect of crowds ever returning to 2006-2008 levels particularly with TCM locked away on Supercars program .Even if they weren't those numbers aren't coming back.
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Trying something new is always a good idea but 6 hours of endurance racing for a butchers picnic combination of state level competitors is clearly nothing to do with what spectators want to see.Competitors either judging by the tiny response when this event was proposed for January.
The interesting question will be....How many Production Car/Prodsports/Improved Production cars will still be in reasonable enough shape to be able to front-up on Sunday, after the previous days' punishment?
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This is the story as I know it folks.
The ARDC was forced to move the event from Father's Day to keep it away from the re-scheduled V8s round. The Sunday morning half of the 6 hour is a 7.00 start from what I've been told. The ticket price is too high in my opinion too and I've told the ARDC of this for the last few years along with having to park miles away from the gate. Crowds are dropping dramatically, last year was the worst of the 10 years I've competed there. Chevron used to own, or part own the event but now are simply the media body employed by the ARDC for the event.
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and yet...if you believe the probably very expensive spin doctors someone has been paying to promote the track...its all good!
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