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2 Aug 2017, 11:00 (Ref:3756895) | #26 | |
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On that logic nearly every team on the grid was new in 1985 and 1993....
The same team changing cars does not make them a new team[/QUOTE] The prehistoric era is different to know, with cars that are that much more complex. A new car is the face of a team and shows how hard they are to get on top of. IF you lot would read my original comment, I said that regarding the new era of CoTF it is a 'new' team essentially. Stop being blind and look into what I said instead of just surface skimming |
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they put new people in charge to run things and the people who were there had to learn a totally new product to go racing hardly justa buy out. By your definition even LDM is not a new tean, because they bought a rec and a car |
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If you two are agreeing then that's 2 against the entire forum.
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It's no different nowadays changing cars for a new formula than it was for the Holden Dealer Team or DJR in the summer of 1984/85 |
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None, zero, zilch. Garry Rogers has a long history or running different types of cars - the mid '90's was an especially busy time for GRM in that respect. Kelly Racing had been established a number of years prior to taking on the Nissan project. And Erebus was running Mercedes in GT racing before purchasing the assets of SBR. Replacing managers, staff walking out, drivers refusing to honour contracts might be symptoms of a poorly executed business plan, but it isn't wasn't s start up business (team). |
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so Charlie Schwerkolt Racing also meets the criteria then? Currently 13th (midpack) in the championship and 3rd of the single car teams |
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Nissan gave their money to GMS in 1992, and gave their money to Kelly Racing in 2013 at the start of a new formula where everyone was starting from scratch. Nissan had nothing to catch up on! Volvo were giving their money to George Sheppard in 1999 to run their cars, and from 2014 gave their money to GRM. At most the GRM/Volvo partnership was playing a 12 month catchup The Erebus Merc's were a privateer effort, and always going to be an uphill battle. They weren't a new team though. If they were, then FPR/PRA was a new team in 2013 as well given they got new owners that season. Also the only factory Mercedes participation in Australian touring car racing in the last 40 years amounts to three races, the 1986 Bathurst 1000, 1986 Sun 300 at Calder, and the 1986 AGP support race at Adelaide. Privateer Merc's with Phil Ward had run as late as 1994 at the Bathurst 1000, and 1995 in the ASTC. |
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You claim you have been in motorsport, yet the comments I see are proving very little knowledge. EVERY season counts. Ford and Holden had an advantage in understanding the tracks and how to work a chassis, Ford made little aerodynamic change. Nissan had less knowledge for a number of things, regardless of regulations, and your comment is contradictory as you said previously that the regualtions weren't major. Now I am questioning a number of things you are saying. Anyone with eyes can see there was catch for a new brand, data, chassis design, aero design, engine design. Holden and Ford also had an advantage in engine and componentry design, Nissan didn't. You saying it was all new and the old era didn't matter is so far off reality. Any data matters |
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You are making out like the Nissan and Volvo efforts were factory operations! They were not, Nissan and Volvo were in effect just sponsoring the efforts of Kelly Racing and GRM, who have been racing in the series for ages. They were not "new teams" as you have tried suggesting |
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The fact that they chose a difficult and at first uncompetitive path, does not make them a new team to the series though! |
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