LM24 Le Mans Legends results?

TimD · 17 Jun 2003, 07:11 (Ref:633820)

Got back from trackside tonight, and now I'm wondering - can anyone point me in the direction of a set of results for the Legends support race on Saturday morning.

A numbered list of entrants would be nice too. The ACO press office boutique was singularly unable to help me in my quest!

**Aysedasi** · 17 Jun 2003, 07:23 (Ref:633827)

Haven't had a chance to look yet, but, needless to say, the Tourists were well pleased with the winner!

FG1 · 17 Jun 2003, 07:29 (Ref:633836)

It was fantasic to see a 512 and a 917 on the same track. It's a shame the 917 was so much slower, and I didn't hear any explanation as to why. Anyone know?

FG

**FIRE** · 17 Jun 2003, 18:28 (Ref:634651)

I saw it on Eurosport and I liked it, especially the yellow Ligier.

krt917 · 18 Jun 2003, 18:52 (Ref:635830)

So, has anyone got the results?

Am disappointed to hear the 917 was slow, but will be comforted somewhat if the 512 did well for the big bangers!

Fab · 19 Jun 2003, 05:15 (Ref:636235)

Quote:

Originally posted by FIRE
I saw it on Eurosport and I liked it, especially the yellow Ligier.

My favourite one too...

Javi · 19 Jun 2003, 06:32 (Ref:636261)

the first laps battle between the Ligier and the beautiful 512S were simply amazing. Looked to me as if the ligier was more stable, the 512 was more "on the edge". Great race. As for the 917, i think the driver was nursing it a bit, he took it easy with the gears. Also the battle between the T70´s was so nice. Couple of spins for the older one. Jackie Olivier (was really he..?) in the gulf GT40... I simply loved it

**Aysedasi** · 19 Jun 2003, 07:07 (Ref:636286)

The driver of the Ligier did exceptionally well...... but then I would think that, wouldn't I.....?

kdr · 19 Jun 2003, 08:48 (Ref:636359)

ayse if its you or a friend let us know...i have a nice pan picture of that car passing the old grandstand. and if it is you then surely you can tell me what the number 40 car was?!

**Adam43** · 19 Jun 2003, 09:24 (Ref:636381)

If anyone is interested there are a collection of pictures of the Legends taken from Indianopolis on my website

http://www.adamashmore.co.uk/photos/Lemans03/index.html

Graham Goodwin · 19 Jun 2003, 10:26 (Ref:636431)

According to the official entry #40 was a GT40 - I'm guessing that judging by your question it wasn't!

**Adam43** · 19 Jun 2003, 10:38 (Ref:636440)

Where did you get that entry list. I have one of the field with out numbers. I think these where displayed on the startship enterprise, but I never considered remembering the numbers. Most where obvious, but then we get to something like this.

Number 4 was a GT40. I don't remember seeing a number 40 GT40 (although that is not to say there wasn't). Number 12 was also a GT40.

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**Adam43** · 19 Jun 2003, 10:40 (Ref:636442)

Ray Bellm raced a #40 GT40 at the Classic last September, did his car have the same number this time? The only pic I have of it is through the tress and it is a long way off.

Andrew Kitson · 19 Jun 2003, 10:48 (Ref:636448)

The small photo of Willie on the podium on page 115 of todays Autosport has the caption ' First Ligier winner since Panis in '96?'
To answer their question, I am sure I saw Willie win with this car at the Silverstone Coys Gp 4 / Prototype race in 2000. Can anyone confirm?

**FIRE** · 19 Jun 2003, 10:57 (Ref:636460)

Quote:

Originally posted by Fab
My favourite one too...

The design of this car is simple, it's just beautiful!
How old it it and what sort of engine has it?

kdr · 19 Jun 2003, 11:56 (Ref:636512)

Quote:

Originally posted by Graham Goodwin
According to the official entry #40 was a GT40 - I'm guessing that judging by your question it wasn't!

i've figured it now as a gt40. its quite small in the frame, moving fast, and in red...so it fooled me a little!

Thierry · 19 Jun 2003, 11:57 (Ref:636513)

- The driver of the Ligier was Willie Green
- #40 was the GT40 of Chris Chiles
- the driver of the GT40 #4 was Le Mans winner Jackie Oliver
Thierry

**Aysedasi** · 19 Jun 2003, 13:58 (Ref:636642)

Yes, the Ligier driver was Willie Green. He drove the Ligier last September in the Classic as well. It just so happens that Willie is the brother of 10/10ths member Stoffer Green - a regular Tourist (although, alas, not in 2003). I have some rather nice pics of Willie getting ready to start the race (they'll no doubt appear on my site in the weeks to come).

Fab · 19 Jun 2003, 15:31 (Ref:636715)

Quote:

Originally posted by Thierry
- The driver of the Ligier was Willie Green
- #40 was the GT40 of Chris Chiles
- the driver of the GT40 #4 was Le Mans winner Jackie Oliver
Thierry

Very accurate ! Welcome to the forum !

Fab · 19 Jun 2003, 15:37 (Ref:636718)

Quote:

Originally posted by FIRE
The design of this car is simple, it's just beautiful!
How old it it and what sort of engine has it?

It's a Ligier JS3 1971 ; Patrick Depailler and Guy Ligier shared it in 1971. The engine is a Ford 2993 cm3.

chris24 · 19 Jun 2003, 16:25 (Ref:636774)

Quote:

Originally posted by FG1
It was fantasic to see a 512 and a 917 on the same track. It's a shame the 917 was so much slower, and I didn't hear any explanation as to why. Anyone know?

FG

It may perhaps have something to do with the fact, David Piper nearly lost his life in one of these beasts, possiblely the last time that he drove a 917 at Le Mans ? He certainly lost one of his legs !
Maybe he didn't want to do that again.

Just a thought.
Did you hear that he bought the car from Porsche for £16,000

Chofar · 19 Jun 2003, 17:53 (Ref:636851)

The Ligier might be a unique car. It did a valourous prestation at LM in 1971 although finishing NC due to lack of distance. Can't remember if 2 cars were done but it succeeded in national events, winning against 908 and T33. An ideal car to race that sort of event as it seems one of the only pre-72 car to have a DFV (apart from the fords P68-69). This car (or its sister but it might be unique...) was found lying under a shed at the end of the 70's in the Ligier factory by Pierre Bardinon , french Ferrari specialist. He did a first rebuild but never raced it. By now the lady might have done more miles in his second carreer.
Having seen Piper in his 917 10years ago at Montlhery i can swear neither the car nor the driver were afraid of anything. Might be the years ?? (on the car)

Kpy · 19 Jun 2003, 21:46 (Ref:637042)

Pos - Num - Driver(s) - Car - Laps - Time - Average
1 - 27 - Willie Green - Ligier JS3 - 13 - 1hr 01’ 54.588 - 171.975 km/h
2 - 49 - M Quinnou/Steve Hitchens - Chevron B16 - 13 - 1hr 01’55.091
3 - 2 - C Jones/N Amey - Lola T70 Mk III - 13 - 1hr 02’ 24.568
4 - 21 - David Piper - Porsche 917 K - 13 - 1hr 02’ 36.199
5 - 40 C Chiles/P Ingram Ford GT 40 13 1hr 02’ 37.885
6 - 14 - Ray Bellm - Ford GT 40 - 13 - 1hr 02’ 43.985
7 - 12 - M Lemmer/ S Marcais - Ford GT 40 - 13 - 1hr 04’ 37.405
8 - 20 - G Bryant/B Shepherd - A. C. Cobra - 13 - 1hr 05’ 59.725
9 - 41 - C Allison/P Nielson - Chevron B8 - 13 - 1hr 06’ 16.565
10 - 10 - D Franklin/G Pearson - Jaguar E Type - 12
11 - 43 - J Hooper/ R Knight - Chevron B8 - 12
12 - 28 - H Leventis/G Fisken - Ferrari 250 LM - 12
13 - 5 - U Bez/P Hardman Aston Martin DBR1 (the actual 1959 Le Mans winning car)

Sorry the results, such as they are, are so scratchy. I had to type them in from my results sheet Hopefully more tomorrow.
Mark Hales set fastest lap - 4'24.658, against Willie's 4'24.735, in Nick Mason's Ferrari 512S. Left rear puncture put him out at the esses on lap 6. Willie lost 2nd gear, no big problem, and Jacky Oliver put himself out with a puncture and broken wheel, trying to pass David Piper at the Ford Chicane at the end of lap 10. Phil Hill's pretty Alfa Guilia TZ1 went through two engines. one after a lap's practice, and the other after one laps's racing.

Kpy · 19 Jun 2003, 21:58 (Ref:637052)

Quote:

Originally posted by Chofar
The Ligier might be a unique car. It did a valourous prestation at LM in 1971 although finishing NC due to lack of distance. Can't remember if 2 cars were done but it succeeded in national events, winning against 908 and T33. An ideal car to race that sort of event as it seems one of the only pre-72 car to have a DFV (apart from the fords P68-69). This car (or its sister but it might be unique...) was found lying under a shed at the end of the 70's in the Ligier factory by Pierre Bardinon , french Ferrari specialist. He did a first rebuild but never raced it. By now the lady might have done more miles in his second carreer.
Having seen Piper in his 917 10years ago at Montlhery i can swear neither the car nor the driver were afraid of anything. Might be the years ?? (on the car)

This car is chassis No 1, and there was only ever one chassis. Guy Ligier had it designed by Michel Tetu in 1971. It was only ever raced three times that year. It raced in the four-hour qualifying race at Le Mans on in April that year, coming 4th, and a week later Guy won the Paris 1000 km in it at Montlhery. At Le Mans in June he shared a car with Patrick Depailler, but, although the car finished, it was unclassified, as various problems had kept it in the pits for much of the race, covering 270 laps against the 395 laps of the winning Marko/Van Lennep Porsche 917 K. Guy later gave the car to Jacques Lafitte, apparently in lieu of driving fees, and the car now belongs to a private collector. The chassis is totally authentic, but has been rebuilt for safety’s sake and is beautifully put together. Apparently, it is a difficult car to drive, but that does not seem to concern Willie, who was notably smoother in this year's Legends race than Mark Hales in the Ferrari.

FG1 · 19 Jun 2003, 22:07 (Ref:637063)

Quote:

Originally posted by chris24
Did you hear that he bought the car from Porsche for £16,000

Yes, and I believe it was new too. Can anyone confirm this?

FG

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