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Old 30 Mar 2006, 12:24 (Ref:1565145)   #26
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But they are a diminishing resourse Peter and if one of the lads wipes a shell out at the weekend at Snett they will be gagging for it, I know I would be! A 2 litre Pinto and 5 speed box must be worth the asking price alone surely.
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Old 30 Mar 2006, 13:47 (Ref:1565198)   #27
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This was the Cosworth GAA engine built for the ETCC of 1973/74.
A steel block (earlier post) may have been just what that needed in view of the weakness of the bored iron block!
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But they are a diminishing resourse Peter and if one of the lads wipes a shell out at the weekend at Snett they will be gagging for it, I know I would be! A 2 litre Pinto and 5 speed box must be worth the asking price alone surely.
Al, it's Peter; he may well have only paid £50 for his, but he only said it to wind you up! Of course, it's worth £100! Why don't you put an add in the Racers classified forum for him!
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Old 30 Mar 2006, 14:31 (Ref:1565222)   #29
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Funny enough the guy that spanners for me sometimes is the one with the original CC road going Capri and I just told him about it so if neither he or any of the CTCRCC boys are interested when I speak to them over the weekend I will stick an ad in for him. It just seemed a straight car for the money to me and if I did not currently have 4 camaros around my place I may have had a go at it myself.
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Old 30 Mar 2006, 18:21 (Ref:1565363)   #30
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A steel block (earlier post) may have been just what that needed in view of the weakness of the bored iron block!
Point taken. Cosworth specially "selected selected '' b.:.....locks at The factory & yes they were cast iron. ,
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Well worth it, the days of going down the breakers for bits and having loads of Capri's to choose from are long gone.

My Essex cracked the same as the GAA, it's the revs that kill them. I used 8200, the crack starts from the sump face in line with the 3rd main bearing and goes in an arc towards the gearbox on both sides !
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Well Neil Brown knew inat he was doing. the point is to get the gearing & the power band to work.
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I was talking to my mate at the weekend who owns the CC road going Capri and he confirmed it has a Neil Brown engine fitted and is up for sale, if anyone is interested PM me and I will pass on contact details and asking price etc. Incidently he has owned the vehicle for 15 years.
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A gaggle of Capris [is that the correct collective description ] that had been professionally built in the UK were run by Derek Shortall, Brian Tuite and Eddie Regan among others in the early 1980s in Ireland. I believe they may have been built by CC or Marshall... Tuite's was sponsored by BASF at one point, with intricate concentric circles as its livery... another was sponsored by Sanyo IIRC. May help to fill in one or two gaps in the bloodlines of the CC cars [if they were indeed CC machines].
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A gaggle of Capris [is that the correct collective description ] that had been professionally built in the UK were run by Derek Shortall, Brian Tuite and Eddie Regan among others in the early 1980s in Ireland. I believe they may have been built by CC or Marshall... Tuite's was sponsored by BASF at one point, with intricate concentric circles as its livery... another was sponsored by Sanyo IIRC. May help to fill in one or two gaps in the bloodlines of the CC cars [if they were indeed CC machines].
Have a sneakling suspicion that one of those was Gerry Marshall's old Triplex prodsaloon. The car is now run by Skid Scarborough in Classic Grp 1.

AFAIK these were all prodsaloons and not ex BTCC cars. Roger Dowson and Richard Asquith built quite a few prodsaloons in the early 80's.
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Yep,

Skids's car was a prodsaloon from (I believe) the Snetterton 24hrs in 1980(?). It was rolled by another driver in Ireland. This is from a conversation I had with Skid some years ago. Gerry M certainly built it.
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Well that probably makes sense. The Irish regs moved from Group 1 regs in the late 1970s to prod-saloon and a half so to speak. They still had slicks and allowed some mods to the cars, so those later Mark III Capris probably didn't have Group 1 origins. There were an awful lot of them there at one stage though, many were professionally put together here in the UK too.
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Although we still don't have any definite answers on chassis numbers I think we can start to trace things a bit better if there's some kind of list to look at.

So if we take 1981 and '82 for example and list the cars that ran, it might make something twig in someone's mind.

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2x CC Prepared, Gordon Spice Racing/shell (Gordy & Phil Martin Dye)

2x CC Prep Equipe Esso (Vince Woodman & occasionally J Buncombe)

2x Broadspeed/ARE/Mirror Juicy Jeans (Rouse & C Sawyer-Hoare)

1x All Car Equipe (Nick Whiting). This was possibly the ex Jeff Allam BP car?

1x Colin Vandervell (occassionally)

Anyone got any ideas on the other 2 or 3 that appeared on occasions?

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2x Spice (Gordy & Rouse) one of them went to Brian Chatfield and is now owned by David Thomas his blue white flared arches car i believe)

2 x Esso (Vince & John B), Brian Chatfield also bought Vince's car ( chassis number CC20 I believe) and is is now privately owned having been restored by Ric Wood in 2002.

1x CS-H (one of the Rouse built cars from previous year)

1x Graham Goode, run by himself (don't know if it was bought or self built?)

Certainly the total number of Capri's that ran in '82 was approximately half of the number that were entered but not necessarily raced in '81, circa 11).

For the first year of Group A in 1983, Brian Chatfield had the 2 cars he bought, Graham Goode prep'd his to Group A spec and Mike Newman also entered one which may have been the other Esso car, which he continued to run into 1984.

Anyone expand on these notes further?
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1x Graham Goode, run by himself (don't know if it was bought or self built?)

Certainly the total number of Capri's that ran in '82 was approximately half of the number that were entered but not necessarily raced in '81, circa 11).

For the first year of Group A in 1983, Brian Chatfield had the 2 cars he bought, Graham Goode prep'd his to Group A spec and Mike Newman also entered one which may have been the other Esso car, which he continued to run into 1984.

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Graham Goode's car was (as always) self prepared.

Mike Newmans was (I'm sure) an ex- Esso & therefore a CC built car.
Mike sold this car to Tony Sugden and has regretted it ever since as it's the only one he's ever sold, still having his Firenza, BMW 635 & RS500!
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Excellent stuff Viva!

Yes Graham built a lot of his own cars didn't he? The Special Saloon Escort and the Group A Bluebird and RS Cossies later on spring to mind, so it's logical that the Capri would've been too.

I thought Mike's was an ex CC car so thanks for adding further weight to that idea. He and Tony shared it in some of the British ETC rounds IIRC. I recall Mike getting it nicely sideways out of Thruxton's club chicane in May '84

Do you know what did Tony do with it once he'd bought it and what's happened to it since?
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I thought Mike's was an ex CC car so thanks for adding further weight to that idea. He and Tony shared it in some of the British ETC rounds IIRC. I recall Mike getting it nicely sideways out of Thruxton's club chicane in May '84
Mike used to like getting his cars nicely sideways!

I remember him doing it, also at the Thruxton chicane, in 1989. Unfortunately that ended up head first into the pit wall, right in front of his team! I'm sure he won't thank me for reminding everyone about that (but it was a rare mistake)...
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Before anything official can be added to the Chassis archive, I thought that an outline of what we know about CC chassis numbers might help jog some memories as to their histories and how many there were.

I am also going to add other race cars that the company built and developed.

Group 1 Ford Capri 3.0s:
Cars we know something about:
CC1 - Most probably Gordon Spice's first MKIII car.
CC2 - tbc
CC3 - Orignally built for Jeff Allam in 1978. Now owned by Ade Vickers, the Northern Sports Saloon regular.
CC4,5,6,7,8,9,10,11,12,13,14,15,16,17,18,19, all TBC.
CC20 - Originally built for Vince Woodman and campaigned in the 1981/82 seasons. Subsequently owned by Brian Chatfield and run in Group A and modsaloons. Then campaigned by other people in modsaloons and Northern Sports/saloons. Latterly owned by Ric Wood, restored and now residing in original spec and livery in Wiltshire.

There is some debate as to whether 20 or as many as 25 Capris were built. Some latter owners reckon only 20, but Dave Cook once advised that there were more likely to be 25 as a lot of the later ones were built for European customers.

So assuming that there were 25 Capri chassis numbers:
CC21,22,23,24,25 all TBC.

Then (SEE OTHER PROJECT THREAD):
CC26
CC27
Likely to have been the 1983 Grp A Mustang ETC & Opel Monza BTCC cars.

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CC28-CC31

The last major project car that the firm may have assigned chassis number to is:
Grp C Tiga Lambo.
CC32?

There's also a possibility that other cars the firm built or developed but may never have seen competitive action, or maybe were sold abroad were also given CC chassis numbers.

There's an awful long way to go with this folks!

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In the first part of 1984 Roger Hancock bought a (former Group 1.5?) Capri from Andy Rouse with the intention of rallying it. Not sure whether it came with 3.0 engine but he then put a 2.8i in it for GpA. It was white IIRC and came on Minilites. I only ever saw it once and I don't think he kept it long as with a 2.8i it proved difficult to get much extra power over standard.

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In 1984 you say?

Hmmm very interesting!

I wonder if there's an outside chance that car was the CC/Rouse run 2.8 hack car run in the TT and tested towards the end of 1982?

I've got no idea if that actual car was white, but it seems strange to think that Andy had a Capri knocking about his workshops for over a year after the end of Grp 1 in 1982?

If it wasn't that car, then I guess it could've been the one he raced in 1981 which was a Broadspeed prepared car.

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I saw it in July 84 and buying it and converting it to 2.8i must have happened early 84 (after RH did the RAC Rally in a 1300 Starlet). I'm pretty certain it did not come in 2.8i guise and that he definitely bought it from AR, since I recall him complaining that AR had stuck out for a highish price for it.
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I saw it in July 84 and buying it and converting it to 2.8i must have happened early 84 (after RH did the RAC Rally in a 1300 Starlet). I'm pretty certain it did not come in 2.8i guise and that he definitely bought it from AR, since I recall him complaining that AR had stuck out for a highish price for it.
Don't suppose there's a piccie of it lying around anywhere is there?
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In a belated attempt to breathe life into this thread which surely promises a lot more memories, thoughts and vital info.

I've copied this link from the Aussie Touring Car 'Where Are They Now?' thread which lists an ex Grp C MK3 Capri thart Laurie Nelson campaigned in early 80's.

It would be interesting to learn more about it's history and whether or not it was built new over there, or sourced from people like CC?

http://tentenths.com/forum/showpost....&postcount=947

There were quite a few in ATCC at the time and I would've thought they were bought in from Europe and converted from Grp 1 to Grp C spec perhaps?

I'm sure we haven't even scratched the surface of the Grp 1 Capri history yet so there's plenty to discuss.....
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Only the prod saloon Capris.

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I think Gerry's prodsaloons were built by Richard Asquith, i don't know if the Grp1 cars were - i seem to remember him mentioning Roger Dowson or somebody at one point?

I wonder were Gerry's and Graham's cars built from new of were they purchased from an existing prep firm like CC?
The prod saloons were built mainly by GMR (Gerry Marshall Racing) by Roger (after the Dolomite and Rover deal had gone sour) and then Richard Asquith as Marshall Asquith Racing.

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A gaggle of Capris [is that the correct collective description ] that had been professionally built in the UK were run by Derek Shortall, Brian Tuite and Eddie Regan among others in the early 1980s in Ireland. I believe they may have been built by CC or Marshall... Tuite's was sponsored by BASF at one point, with intricate concentric circles as its livery... another was sponsored by Sanyo IIRC. May help to fill in one or two gaps in the bloodlines of the CC cars [if they were indeed CC machines].


There used to be a yearly race at Mondello that Gerry used to do and he would use it as a way of selling his race cars and quite a few “Marshall” Capris ended up out there.

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AFAIK these were all prodsaloons and not ex BTCC cars. Roger Dowson and Richard Asquith built quite a few prodsaloons in the early 80's.
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Skids's car was a prodsaloon from (I believe) the Snetterton 24hrs in 1980(?). It was rolled by another driver in Ireland. This is from a conversation I had with Skid some years ago. Gerry M certainly built it.
The Triplex car was a proper BTCC car and was the ex Colin Vandervell car and therefore I would assume a proper CC car. It was a mark two built car that was then updated with a mark three front and other bits and it was probably the unluckiest car Gerry raced, he led about 6 races in ‘81 but only won one of them.

Skid’s car is a Marshall built car and I think it is the one that Eric Cook mostly raced in the early/mid ‘80s in prod saloons and was then sold to Ireland and rolled as Skid and Peter mention
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The Triplex car was a proper BTCC car and was the ex Colin Vandervell car and therefore I would assume a proper CC car. It was a mark two built car that was then updated with a mark three front and other bits and it was probably the unluckiest car Gerry raced, he led about 6 races in ‘81but only won one of them.
Interesting. Did the Capri originally run in the 1978 or 79 seasons in Grp 1 before Gerry ran a Dolly for a year before packing the BTCC in to do prodsaloons?

I don't recall him running in BTCC in 1981 although I do remember Vandervell's name being in a few programmes?

I may have mentioned it earlier in the thread but at some points in 1981 there were nearly a dozen Capris entered for Tricentrol but only half a dozen regular cars in 1982.

It would have been great if Gerry had been pedalling a Grp 1 Capri at that time as well as his prodsaloons!

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Interesting. Did the Capri originally run in the 1978 or 79 seasons in Grp 1 before Gerry ran a Dolly for a year before packing the BTCC in to do prodsaloons?

I don't recall him running in BTCC in 1981 although I do remember Vandervell's name being in a few programmes?

I may have mentioned it eralier in the thread but at some points in 1981 there were nearly half a dozen Capris entered for Tricentrol but only half a dozen regular cars in 1982.

It would have been great if Gerry had been pedalling a Grp 1 Capri at that time as well as his prodsaloons!
You're absoloutely right, it was '78 and he raced it alongside a Dolomite in prod saloons before 79 when he raced the Dolly in BTCC and prod saloons, whoops!!

I think he lost interest in modern cars (hence why he bought and sold the Costin bodied Lister Jag, the Lola T70, etc). There was stuff away from the track too, the court case with BL, divorce, business commitments. You also have to remember he was lucky to be alive and walking after the accident in '79 and I thnk the few races he came back and did he came back too soon and just had had enough of certain people on that scene.

It would have been great to see him in a Capri or Rover and of course he was supposed to be in a Rover that all went belly up as mentioned above!!

Unfortunatley I'm not what happened with the Capri, I think Colin had it back as his single seater career had sort of failed really.
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