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Old 24 Oct 2011, 22:15 (Ref:2976275)   #1
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co-driver format for Texas, USA race

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After putting together arguably the greatest driver line-up in the history of Australian motorsport at the Gold Coast 600, V8 Supercars are looking at creating a similar co-driver format for the race at Austin, Texas in 2013.
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 01:12 (Ref:2976345)   #2
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I think that would be the best thing they can do! Only this time also grab drivers from Nascar (if they have a free weekend, or night race)........& relax the 'drive thru' penalties for bump & run. Result would be a spectacle the locals would go nuts for. Kinda like IROC on acid!

I can just see Marcos itching to get into it & race his old mates again!

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Old 25 Oct 2011, 03:40 (Ref:2976360)   #3
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& relax the 'drive thru' penalties for bump & run. Result would be a spectacle the locals would go nuts for.
that's all well and good for teams that have 500 chassis sitting in their sheds like NASCAR teams do. Avoiding the BTCC at all costs would be good. The result would actually be carnage, a ruined championship tilt or 2, and a few very angry team owners...
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 05:13 (Ref:2976376)   #4
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Please no.

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Old 25 Oct 2011, 05:52 (Ref:2976380)   #5
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 06:16 (Ref:2976383)   #6
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I can just see Marcos itching to get into it & race his old mates again!.
It would be fantastic to see Marcos racing in our V8s again! He's the best tin-top driver ever to come out of Australia, that's for sure!
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 07:11 (Ref:2976391)   #7
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It would be fantastic to see Marcos racing in our V8s again! He's the best tin-top driver ever to come out of Australia, that's for sure!
Some of us oldies might think Frank Gardner or Yogi Muir deserved that allocade for overseas performances.
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 07:49 (Ref:2976399)   #8
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Some of us oldies might think Frank Gardner or Yogi Muir deserved that allocade for overseas performances.
Fair point too Tony........I'll qualify my comment to more recent times.
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 08:45 (Ref:2976414)   #9
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peckstar has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
i really fail to see how ever of those rate as a better tin top driver
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 08:54 (Ref:2976417)   #10
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i really fail to see how ever of those rate as a better tin top driver
Everyone has their own opinion.
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 09:00 (Ref:2976418)   #11
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thats true, but frank spent most of his career as an open wheeler, so you can hardly claim him as one of the best tin top racers to come out of australia
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 09:51 (Ref:2976433)   #12
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thats true, but frank spent most of his career as an open wheeler, so you can hardly claim him as one of the best tin top racers to come out of australia

Sure about that Pecky. Here and Here
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 09:58 (Ref:2976437)   #13
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maybe better to pack a spare car for Texas
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 10:04 (Ref:2976440)   #14
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I remember seeing Frank in the Camaro at Warwick Farm........late 60's I think.
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 10:44 (Ref:2976449)   #15
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Certainly Frank did a lot of races in open wheelers and sports cars but his "tin top" wins included 3 British Touring car championships (Falcon Sprint, Escort and Camaro), a second at Bathurst, The Australian Sports Sedan championship at a time when it was at least the equal in importance with the Touring cars, He also set up and drove for the BMW team in Australia, sorted and prepared the Tony Longhurst Bathurst Sierra.
About the only thing he did wrong was getting Paul Morris started in racing
Edit: The Sports Sedan was a Chev Corvair which was probably what you saw at the farm Blue, although he may have run a Camaro at some stage.

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Old 25 Oct 2011, 11:04 (Ref:2976459)   #16
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 11:23 (Ref:2976468)   #17
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Certainly Frank did a lot of races in open wheelers and sports cars but his "tin top" wins included 3 British Touring car championships (Falcon Sprint, Escort and Camaro), a second at Bathurst, The Australian Sports Sedan championship at a time when it was at least the equal in importance with the Touring cars, He also set up and drove for the BMW team in Australia, sorted and prepared the Tony Longhurst Bathurst Sierra.
About the only thing he did wrong was getting Paul Morris started in racing
Edit: The Sports Sedan was a Chev Corvair which was probably what you saw at the farm Blue, although he may have run a Camaro at some stage.
The Corvair didn't debut until 1976. well after the farm closed. Bluesports recollection of Frank racing the Camaro would be about right.
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Old 25 Oct 2011, 22:30 (Ref:2976821)   #19
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that's all well and good for teams that have 500 chassis sitting in their sheds like NASCAR teams do. Avoiding the BTCC at all costs would be good. The result would actually be carnage, a ruined championship tilt or 2, and a few very angry team owners...
So you're saying before the 'B-pillar, drive thru penalty' became standard issue, that every V8SC & ATCC race in history was a carnage fest? That's not how my VHS & DVD collection shows it!

Simple rule...."When in Rome!"
Otherwise the American fans won't return for a second look.

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Old 25 Oct 2011, 22:54 (Ref:2976826)   #20
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Please no... Everyone says we have the best touring cars in the world - prove it on the international stage without a crashfest...

Or without the predictable co-drivers then main drivers "strategy" - boring.
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Old 26 Oct 2011, 02:52 (Ref:2976880)   #21
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you put some yankie stars in guaranteed a crowd and tv audience over there... smart move to make it viable first time round..
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So you're saying before the 'B-pillar, drive thru penalty' became standard issue, that every V8SC & ATCC race in history was a carnage fest? That's not how my VHS & DVD collection shows it!

Simple rule...."When in Rome!"
Otherwise the American fans won't return for a second look.

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"Bump & Run" & "B-Pilar or drive thru" are 2 different things, anyone can do a bump and run to pass someone, it takes skill to pass without trading paint - or worse. If the current crop can't keep from turning each other around by having a 1mm overlap, then how will relaxing the rule help?
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The Sports Sedan was a Chev Corvair which was probably what you saw at the farm Blue, although he may have run a Camaro at some stage.
Tony, I think it was a Camaro. Frank was racing in the UK at the time and he brought the car downunder. I did read later that it wasn't his current BTCC Camaro but rather his previous machine that he brought out of mothballs.
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We may be talking about the wet race at the Farm in early-73 that featured on "Late Night Legends" a few years back. Gardner was racing his older Camaro, Moffat was in it in the Coke Mustang, John Harvey in the Jane XU1 Sports Sedan, Pete in the Super Falcon...

That car then, i think, was driven by Martin Thomas in that years British Saloon Car Championship, while Gardner stepped into his newer Camaro.


As for Gardner's career, to say he spent most of his time in open-wheelers is laughable
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We may be talking about the wet race at the Farm in early-73 that featured on "Late Night Legends" a few years back. Gardner was racing his older Camaro, Moffat was in it in the Coke Mustang, John Harvey in the Jane XU1 Sports Sedan, Pete in the Super Falcon...

That car then, i think, was driven by Martin Thomas in that years British Saloon Car Championship, while Gardner stepped into his newer Camaro.


As for Gardner's career, to say he spent most of his time in open-wheelers is laughable
I think you've got it, that would be the meeting.
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