[ELMS] ELMS 2014 Season

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What the hell is this??? Obviously they're desperate for GTE to be faster than GT3 but still. Crazy restrictors and Ferrari & Porsche with 12 liter fuel breaks. The WEC BoP-Waiver-Wagon AMR actually has the smallest amount of favourable breaks, lol.

Thanks for the find Ginaro

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Aaaaaand just as we say that the 458 loses 1.2 millimeters as BoP penalty, making the breathing space rather ridiculous against the completely restrictor free Porkies
http://www.dailysportscar.com/?p=36801

Originally Posted by DSC

"In the ELMS we are in a customer car championship in which the teams and drivers must make the difference, our goal is to give a chance to everyone on the potential of their car, then it is up to the drivers and the team to do the job!"

Vincent is starting to sound more and more like Ratel. They're not even pretending anymore.

Originally Posted by DSC

Q: Will there be any further updates to the BoP in 2014?

Any time it is needed we will update the BoP.

Nicely tiding up with my sig again...

[carbon_titanium]

ELMS GT class is made by an army of 458 GT + some porsche and one vantage... not great variety.

[Rodger Davies]

But that's what the GTE world consists of; I'm impressed by how many GTEs they've got running, regardless of what they are. In what is really a dying class they've got a lot of the available active cars that aren't in WEC.

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Then again with FIA GT2 long gone and national champs gone all-GT3-frenzy it's not like there's any other place to run them in Europe (besides IGTO where they are now integrated with GT3 anyway)

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Beaumesnil says on LMP3 press release:

"We reckon that the yearly budget for a season in the ELMS will be only about twenty per cent higher than a closed CN with a much better positioned product profile. We’ve thought everything through so that the restrictions for drivers and teams should be reduced to the minimum.

So since we have no CN in ELMS we cannot do any direct price comparisons, but how much less/more do you think full season ELMS would cost for CN than for old LMPC car? Cause IF it's similar or more, and seeing how poor popularity PC/FLM got in ELMS 2010-2013, do they magically expect huge European popularity for the non-LM eglible class*?

'Driver/team restrictions reduced to minimum' sounds good in a sense that ELMS wouldn't necessarily have to be all-proam in the future.

* though P3 not being spec class you will probably see manufacturers pushing for larger European presence than Oreca alone ever could

[KA]

Originally Posted by TheMightyM

Pegasus Racing has bought a second Morgan-Nissan LMP2, and looks to eventually run both in ELMS and at Le Mans. Brief story here.

Good to hear but honestly, a second Pegasus car would have to rank near the bottom of the ACO's Le Mans invite priority list, which may complicate things for Pegasus.

..and might be out on track before the end of the season- Pegasus are apparently 'looking at options' prior to running a full-season 2-car entry in 2015...

http://sportscar365.com/lemans/elms/...rday-notebook/

[Articus]

Why are they buying Morgans? and not Ligiers. Or are we calling the new Ligier a morgan?

[TheMightyM]

Originally Posted by Articus

Why are they buying Morgans? and not Ligiers. Or are we calling the new Ligier a Morgan?

Because they’re sort of a second-tier team (at this stage) though with ambition and they got a good deal on a (used?) Morgan.

[airbusA346]

Gulf Racing Porsche 991 RSR.


Photo: Robin Pönisch

[Victor_RO]

Good news for the ELMS and for fans of a certain Belgian team: MarcVDS are entering one Z4 GT3 in the GTC class for the Estoril round of the ELMS. Drivers - Bas Leinders/Markus Palttala/TBA. http://motor-racing.tv/marcvds/car/n...l#.VA8I8Mv6gm9

[Simmi]

Hopefully that's a precursor to more ACO race outings.

[TheMightyM]

For those of us that live on the other side of the pond and find European GT racing horribly confusing, to what degree does MarcVDS entry at Estoril simply represent opportunity racing? In other, are they doing this in part or whole because the season in the series they mainly run is over and the ELMS Estoril date is an easy, relatively low, no-conflict to get another race in for the team?

[Deleted]

Well they do have a good record in ELMS, winning the only race they ever entered and that wasn't a lame Saleen meltdown class that day either

[Speed-King]

Originally Posted by TheMightyM

For those of us that live on the other side of the pond and find European GT racing horribly confusing, to what degree does MarcVDS entry at Estoril simply represent opportunity racing? In other, are they doing this in part or whole because the season in the series they mainly run is over and the ELMS Estoril date is an easy, relatively low, no-conflict to get another race in for the team?

MarcVdS didn't run any full series this year, just a number of long distance events as a BMW factory backed team. So them doing Estoril could be kind of significant.

[TheMightyM]

Originally Posted by Speed-King

MarcVdS didn't run any full series this year, just a number of long distance events as a BMW factory backed team. So them doing Estoril could be kind of significant.

Thanks for the information!

[Deleted]

This series is seriously starting to follow WEC's logic of re-bopping LMGTE for every single race. For Ricard:

Porsche 991 RSR +5kg & 2,7mm restrictor from base
Porsche 997 GT3 RSR 2013 -20kg
Porsche 997 GT3 RSR 2012 -20kg & gurney -10mm
Aston Martin Vantage 2013 -15kg & -0,6mm restrictor
Aston Martin Vantage 2012 -10kg & -0,3mm restrictor

Well even though the Aston is 85 kg underweight there's still way to go to Lotus Evora's 125kg weight break in ALMS 2012

[bella]

dragging this thread up, i was reading an interview with signatech alpine's phillipe sinault the other day that had some interesting stuff in (if you can get beyond the painful formatting):

http://www.autonewsinfo.com/2014/09/...rd-133916.html

first thing is his mention of budgets for next season: "just over" €2m for elms including le mans and €3.5m for wec? yikes. to align that with single seaters a formula renault 3.5 season for one driver is about the €1m mark, 17 races of 45 minutes each. assuming a fair old chunk of the elms budget is le mans, that's pretty good value for money if you're a driver with some cash. unless you're gold or platinum

second thing is the suggestion of a new car. are they sniffing around a swap to the ligier? or is the new car from oreca due next season and i've just forgotten?

[Coach Ep]

Re Oreca: yes

http://sportscar365.com/industry/ore...or-2015-debut/

[bella]

thanks. it rang a bell but i'm ill and cannot brain

that timescale doesn't quite fit in with sinault's plans, so it'll be interesting to see if they just decide to go with it or not.

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Provisional 2015 European Le Mans Series Calendar
23/24 March Official Test – Circuit Paul Ricard
10/11 April 4 Hours of Silverstone
16/17 May 4 Hours of Imola
11/12 July 4 Hours of Red Bull Ring**
5/6 September 4 Hours of Paul Ricard
17/18 October 4 Hours of Estoril
** subject to confirmation

First ever LMS season to have identical calendar to previous year

[Victor_RO]

Apart from Imola clashing with the N24 (which MUST be sorted by that time hopefully), I don't see faults with this. Good locations, 20 hours of racing and there doesn't seem to be anything to increase costs for teams - ELMS 2015 should have similar/larger grid numbers.

[Deleted]

Well (even if for different circumstances) we remember the last time ELMS race was scheduled to conflict with N24...

[Victor_RO]

Originally Posted by Chiana

Well (even if for different circumstances) we remember the last time ELMS race was scheduled to conflict with N24...

Yes, N24 bore the brunt of it by being massively screwed by rain and fog.

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Originally Posted by Victor_RO

Yes, N24 bore the brunt of it by being massively screwed by rain and fog.

Wrong year