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28 Jan 2004, 19:57 (Ref:854152)
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Ralf to Toyota in 05
There are reports that Ralf will head to Toyota next year. With the contract stand off with Williams and Olivier Panis saying the Toyota is no good the move is looking more solid then before.If this happens whos to drive for Williams next year and more to the point would this be benificial for Ralf.
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28 Jan 2004, 20:03 (Ref:854162)
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REALLY!? Wow!
So, it may be Ralf and Cristiano next year?  Thanks for the rumor/news
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28 Jan 2004, 20:22 (Ref:854198)
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Do we have a new source for this aside from the recent press speculation?
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28 Jan 2004, 20:32 (Ref:854211)
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Two motorsport mags in Aus and a little by line in a German newspaper who say Ralf has dug his hells in and won't budge on terms.Toyota have said to Ralf's management name your terms within reason and jobs done.
The Grumpy1 P.S.This newspaper are hardly ever wrong. Last edited by grumpy1; 28 Jan 2004 at 20:33. |
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28 Jan 2004, 21:15 (Ref:854269)
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Re: Ralf to Toyota in 05
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28 Jan 2004, 22:06 (Ref:854341)
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I believe Ralf will have some competition for that seat from DC, although if DC beats Kimi...
I believe that DC would make a great addition to Toyota. Last edited by GP Racer; 28 Jan 2004 at 22:07. |
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28 Jan 2004, 22:25 (Ref:854372)
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RS to Toyota! Even more reason for me to dislike them. I am surprised anyone would pick up RS, DC or any other of the would have been/could have been drivers in F1. IMO Toyota would be better served with a younger and cheaper driver, then again on second thought it may be great. If RS is ever behind JB or TS I will have nothing to worry about where him passin them is concerned.
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28 Jan 2004, 22:40 (Ref:854400)
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Personally, I think Toyota is wasting another year with him in there seat, but thats only MHO... |
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29 Jan 2004, 07:00 (Ref:854695)
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29 Jan 2004, 07:41 (Ref:854705)
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Re: Ralf to Toyota in 05
Well, the Mole (ITV-f1) also state Ralf won't be at BMW Williams in 2005 and joint Toyota.
The truth? Honeslty, I have no idea. 
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29 Jan 2004, 07:42 (Ref:854706)
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29 Jan 2004, 08:28 (Ref:854747)
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its stupid for ralf to dig his heels in, although Toyota may be a top team there's no guarntee.
Luckily that does free up both Williams seats for '05, Button and Webber would be a VERY strong driver lineup! |
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29 Jan 2004, 10:42 (Ref:854911)
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Ralf should have lowered his term to keep a potential WDC seat. What's better? Racing at the front with a good pay, or mixing in the midfields with a great pay? If they enjoy racing, theyd opt for the former.
Toyota has a potential in da Matta, plus a potential in Briscoe. Now they need a proven driver. People may complain why DC/Ralf... but truth is, there isn't much "better" choices around.Things may change however, and maybe Toyota may change it's mind and pursue Webber or Alonso instead if they won this year? Keeping Oliver in Toyota is a good and bad move. It's good as Oliver is a wonderful developement driver, bad because good a driver he is, he's kind of past his prime in racing. |
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29 Jan 2004, 10:59 (Ref:854933)
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Even Williams will admitt that Ralf is the best testdriver they had for a long time. He is also extremly quick with a perfectly set up car. So he would bring his set-up skills and his great technical feedback pluss the working knowledge from a great organization to any team he is going to join. With his skills and speed he can be used as a perfect benchmark to any young driver.
Probably the same would apply to DC, so he would be a good choice also. Ralf is probably better choice because he is younger a little bit. For Ralf it is a great change. I am pretty sure he knows that even though he is very very quick he is no champion material. So for him the only way to save face is to join a team like Toyota. At leat that is my opinion. Cheers, Attila Last edited by Attila; 29 Jan 2004 at 11:01. |
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29 Jan 2004, 11:30 (Ref:854961)
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Ralf or DC would be ideal for Toyota in my view. Their salaries would be no issue, they have experience which can help develop the car and get the team pushing in the right direction (especially with regards to race strategy), and are both fast and competitive on their day.
Pushing for more moeny at Williams strikes me as a risky move by Ralf and Willi.Toyota will be unliekly to challenge Williams or the other top teams for quite some time, and surely Ralf can afford to lose a small amount financially? Besides, his performances so far haven't really merited £12m a year. |
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29 Jan 2004, 11:47 (Ref:854991)
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Ralf in Toyota is a great move for him . Toyota will be a force Ralf is a good /Fast driver . And I think he will drive a hole lot better away from williams
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29 Jan 2004, 12:12 (Ref:855045)
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But what about Briscoe? Wasn't he going to be 'promoted' to a drive when Olive retires, as Sato was at BAR?
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29 Jan 2004, 15:10 (Ref:855222)
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Personally I do not think that Ralf will be moving teams next year unless he wants to drive for Toyota.
I have also heard that BMW have said that they would like to keep a German driver in the seat for next season. So, unless they find someone new who can match Ralf's driving skills, Mr. Williams will not want to let Ralf go so easily. |
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29 Jan 2004, 15:20 (Ref:855227)
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If Ralf chooses Toyota over Williams it's a classic case of choosing money over performance - something which usually turns out to be a mistake.
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29 Jan 2004, 18:09 (Ref:855405)
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It's about time that Ralf would quit hogging his Williams seat that he doesn't deserve.
I can think of a few drivers who deserve that seat more than he does. |
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29 Jan 2004, 18:43 (Ref:855447)
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Kicking-Back probably has it correct, drivers such as JV have suffered for taking the pot of gold. Ralf can't say he's tempted by havign #1 status at Toyota either, ebcause he will do at Williams if he stays - they'll almost certainly team him with a much less experienced driver. That said, had he beaten Montoya convincingly from the word go, he would ahve #1 status already.
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29 Jan 2004, 19:14 (Ref:855501)
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I think it is a bit harsh to say that Ralf should give up his seat at Williams because he does not deserve it. I think he has worked hard to be where he is now.
You only tend to move teams of your own free will if 1. you are not happy with the current teams progress 2. the new team has a lot more to offer. I can not see why he would want to move to Toyota. I doubt very much that by 2005 they would have made any progress to speak off. |
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29 Jan 2004, 19:45 (Ref:855550)
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Word is to pay out Webbers contract at Jag is @$2million US. How its split up don't know.As for Brisco he's fast in testing and the rumblings I have heard are he will be elivated.When I don't know and at whos expense can't tell you.This is unconfirmed at this stage but anything is possible.The thing that will ensure this is a bit more cash behind the kid.Hes getting more well known in Aus through a commercial for Toyota so anythings possible.
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30 Jan 2004, 01:39 (Ref:855872)
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From Toyota's perspective they have a very reliable and experienced driver in Panis. He's not the fastest guy on the grid, but why force him out for a guy like DC who's not any faster? I could see that with Ralf, but why would Ralf leave Williams for 2005?
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