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Lets say i would not of wanted to be a COC yesterday!!!!
I know its easy to say things after the event or not involved in but there was a good forecast that the rain would be heavy and in the area by 4 pm ! I'm in no way trying to criticise anybody but perhaps it would been a good idea to carry on with the racing instead of a launch break! I'm sure the marshals would off rather been hungry than very wet! |
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Hi if anyone got any pics of 580 Conor let me know please.
We had a fun time at Lydden. We were competing at Twyford forest on the Sunday with daughter Ella [16] co-driving and me running the 205 challenge event there. Young Conor was disappointed when he learned the Mini still needed a chunk of work on it after the Pembrey roll 2 weeks ago. Not to be outdone the lads rallied round, Prynny and Mc Phee got on with bolting all the bits back on it, while bodyshop man Geno Cook and Matt who did a great job of starightening the car and repainting it, [although they had the Twyford rally to do] they worked till midnight then took the 5 hr journey from Builth wells to Lydden. The 1st heat[msa] was a disaster with the screen coming out and knocking the kill switch off, the 2nd heat [BTRDA ]was much better, Con had a great battle with Thom and did a good move down the hill to retake the lead and take the heat. the 3rd heat [msa,] was not so good as Con went to take Simpson at the chicane, he was moved towards the kerb, knocking a tyre off, the 4th Heat[BTRDA] saw Rennison clear off, while Con and Russ Simpson battled it, despite Simpson firing him off on the hairpin, Con retook 2nd place to take 2nd. the final MSA heat we hoped would be kind, but the 1st splash at Chessons took a plug lead off, so a slow 3 cylinders last. the final BTRDA heat saw Conor finish 3rd behind Tracey, & Rennison again battling Russ for 3rd. So a B final for the MSA saw Con take the lead from the back row, then pull clear, the conditions were very bad now, Conor was the only finisher!!!! Wonder if we get a rebate for missing the 2 A finals, In Rallying that is the norm for cancelled stages. A gesture would be good, as its expensive competing in both junior championships. What happens with points, is it Final qualifying positions?? Huge thanks to Geno, Matt, Smurf, Nico, Ella, Prynny & mc Phee plus Liz, Carol & Barney. It was a huge sleepless effort with 700+ miles to get us there, Thanks we could not have done it without you. Nice to see all the Juniors rallying round helping each other, swapping parts etc, Thanks Samantha Thom for loan of screen. Glad young Matt Thompson was good after his shunt. Pat Last edited by flying flynn; 29 May 2007 at 21:59. |
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I was not happy with the race cansellation.
my point of view: There where two A-finals, they both went wrong. Another start would have gone wrong again i think. Windscreen wipers are ok for rain and some mud, but on a track covered with mud like monday, cars are trowing truckloads of mud up in the air. Accidents will happen! Some spectators will love to see some crashes, but as cars cost lots and lots of money, drivers would not be happy to take a damaged car home. I have been very close to a former rallycross team, and after a race there is more then enough work to do, and money enough to be spend. (engine, gearbox, diffs, suspension...) Was my UK trip worthless? Not at all, i must say i have seen some great racing, not only supercars and supermods, but also the Mini's where great to see, very close racing. I also get the difference between MSA, BRDA and BTRDA, at last. Conclusion: I visit Lydden again first time i have the chance. Global warming: Not a problem in Lydden for sure! |
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Chris Cake - I'm sure the marshals would off rather been hungry than very wet!
In some ways I'm so releaved that I couldn't afford to make the journey down to Lydden, I had a feeling it would be VERY wet. As a Marshal - I DO NOT get paid, and don't even get petrol expenses paid for a long journey. There isn't many of us out there, and those that come along, do it because we love being part of rallycross, and being part of the action.
It is such a shame when a meeting is abandoned, it's the last thing anyone wants to hear. But it is obvious a desicion had to be made, when a spectator bank is compromised, knowing the cars are acting like out of control speed boats, and the risk injury to a marshal, spectator or even a driver is too high. I would have been one of those poor unfortunates, stood out on post in the pouring rain, absolutley soaked to the skin. The prospect of a 4hour journey home in wet clothes, isn't good for getting up for work the next day. But like in the past, for the love of Rallycross, I have been that person who stopped at Motorway services wearing my PJ's. Chris, I would like to invite you to stand alongside us marshals for a day, and experience the bank, it's surprisingly refreshing! I'm curious to see if you can cope with a long stand, no food, no loo - in the pouring rain, with cars coming at you from all angles, to be told - no break. We'll see whos underwear gets wet first! Then again on the other end of the scale, I'd be up for the challenge to see things from a drivers perspective for one day - any offers for a swop shop? |
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Ok can we compare with the 3rd Round at mondello......
Now i could go on quoting photos all day if i wanted, the point of the above is that WE here in ireland have had far worse weather on many occasions and the event has very rarely been stopped; Now your saying about standing water, if any of ye have gone into rallycross 3 (especially on the 3rd round) you would see that you might aswell of needed a boat to get through it. It was the same on rallycross 1 and rallycross 2. And we all drove accordingly. I dont see why from the many photos i have seen from the day that the event was effectivly abandoned, i know there was alot of people complaining about how ineffective tires were on the day but thats what ye have signed up for. |
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31 May 2007, 21:51 (Ref:1925712) | #35 | ||
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i was sad that it was cancelled early. but as a soaked spectator, and very close to the d.c crash. i think it was the right decision to call it off..
video of dermots crash.. (watch the camera man fly - he seemed shook up. but ok) video taken by a mate |
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I think that just goes to show the right decision was made at the end of the day.
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Makes me wonder why I bother to be honest. I marshal because I love the spectacle of rallycross. What I don't need is ill informed primadonna's telling me what's best for me. I don't need politics. I don't need the abuse from spectators or drivers. The idea of a rota system is laughable 'cos there's barely enough of us to go round in the first place!! How often is poor old Tim stood on his own on the finish line? |
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Not helping matters also was that drivers who had wet tyres vut at Pembrey were then told at Lydden that the cut in the tyres was not legal...... although it had been cut by Kumho technicians..............another way of getting more money out of the drivers me thinks!! To then make matters worse a well known Supermodified driver then took matter into his own hands and cut his own Kumho tyres, because he thought the tread given by the technicians wasn't enough..... he was then disqualified from his heat and 4 points put on his license.......and all for trying to race safely.... what kind of message does this all send out to other drivers........ I wonder if invoices should be sent to Kumho for the reapir bills of many cars, Carnegie's included due to tyres not being able to grip in the conditions. You only have to look at other drive in that video clip struggling for grip. I wonder if so many accidents wouldn't of happened and the meeting not called off had they all been on avons!! For anyone who was at the Lydden Masters event last year as part of the RSS the weather was just as bad, (if not worse) the event was not called off and drivers running on Avons, did not have any accidents! Thoughts everyone............. |
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It's interesting that some of those who supported the control tyre are now having second thoughts. A lot of drivers clearly don't think the tyre works in the rain and if you're not allowed to modify it just what are you supposed to do?
Btw - I don't think anyone on here is criticising marshals who we all know do a fantastic job for the sport. We're just raising some questions about the BRDA's organisation of the meeting. |
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Bored already!
Well it rained at lydden Clerk of the course cancelled the event! His final say lets all move on,lessons will be learned regarding weather and tyres no doubt! so how about we start looking forward to the next round everybody learns by there mistakes ,not the end of the world Im sure dermott would of been glad if it was called off earlier.
One thing though Jordans tyres seemed to be working well espescially in the A final |
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There are always two sides to a debate, but this has managed to go from a discussion of whether the meeting should have been cancelled in the circumstances to the fact that some people don't like the BRDA or control tyres.
Free speech is important, of course, but remember that if you present your views in a rational way with a substantiated argument and suggestions for improvement rather than repeating an opinion, people will be more inclined to listen and take your ideas on board. As regards the tyres, I don't think anything would have made the conditions safe, although certainly the rather general suggestion that driving on Avons would stop people from crashing needs looking at; imagine the damage and expense anti-crash tyres would save in a day! But seriously, it's been a long time since the conditions were as bad as they were on Monday, and drainage on that scale is unrealistic for a rallycross circuit, which will only be used three or four times a year, so it's probaby more helpful to accept it as an act of nature, be disappointed for a while, then move on to something more topical. Like anti-crash tyres! Now where did I put those contact details for Michelin...? |
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Must agree with RXfan I was there for the RSS event in May last year as well and the rain may have been heavier at times but it was nowhere near as persisitant. In fact from memory it only rained late in the day not all afternoon as on Monday. |
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Even as a spectator the cars were no where near as quick either in the wet or dry at Lydden, must be due to the tyres. Has anyone compared lap times from last year to this year?
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Mel, i have no problems with Khumo, who i think are a good sponsor. The problem is with the BRDA deal with them that forces every body to buy there tyres. I dont know how much they are putting in, but the competitiors are funding there own sponsor via the back door.
Does any-one know how much they are paying the BRDA. |
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