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Old 11 Dec 2013, 07:26 (Ref:3342608)   #1
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Engel & Erebus - Both docked 102 points ??

It appears that both Maro Engel & ErebusV8 have had the equivalent of all points scored at Winton, applied as penalties against their (Drivers & Teams) Championship points !

Natsoft are showing the Penalty Points, but all is very quiet on V8SC, Erebus, Ad-Cafe etc. websites. Why ???
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 07:36 (Ref:3342610)   #2
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v8 website is showing it also

Wiki has had the scores updated and uses the term "stripped"

however its only cars 9s points stripped from the team points
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 08:25 (Ref:3342613)   #3
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Was he the one running E70?
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 08:31 (Ref:3342615)   #4
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Was he the one running E70?
No...

3 cars were.

Caruso, Moffat & Engel
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 08:41 (Ref:3342619)   #5
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v8 website is showing it also...
Yes... but ONLY on (both) Points Tables (which possibly comes from Natsoft?)

BUT!!! Nothing in 'News' or 'Stewards Reports' or anywhere else

Why is it not being reported/explained on the 'official' / SpeedCafe / ErebusV8 websites


GTR... anything from the Powder Room ?

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Old 11 Dec 2013, 08:56 (Ref:3342623)   #6
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Yes... but ONLY on (both) Points Tables (which possibly comes from Natsoft?)

BUT!!! Nothing in 'News' or 'Stewards Reports' or anywhere else

Why is it not being reported/explained on the 'official' / SpeedCafe / ErebusV8 websites


GTR... anything from the Powder Room ?
agreed, nothing in the news sites anywhere. he finished all 3 races admitingly further back. so i wonder why
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 21:20 (Ref:3342873)   #7
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50 Points Penalty For Mr Engel
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 21:38 (Ref:3342887)   #8
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Wasn't there some issue with a team transporter as well?
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that explains 50 of his 152 penalty points, alas still 102 missing
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Texas = 2x 25 point infringements Here

You can find all the Stewards summaries Here but it looks like the additional points happened beyond the regular CAMS updates
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Old 11 Dec 2013, 22:11 (Ref:3342906)   #11
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Yes... I know all that, which is why I'm asking....
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As I understand it, an engine from #9 was sent back to Germany for refurbishing at AMG/HWA. The seals were removed from the engine prior to sending without obtaining explicit approval of the category technical director before doing so.

So it appears that the Erebus AMG team & car #9 were penalised what seems to be 52 points for the oversight.
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.... it appears that the Erebus AMG team & car #9 were penalised what seems to be 52 points for the oversight.
Actually 102 points!

So effectively, they get 'psuedo' excluded from Winton Results? Why Winton? Did they run the refurbished/unsealed engine there?

So many unanswered questions.

Still seems 'fishy' to me, that it's not being reported... !

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Actually 102 points!

So effectively, they get 'psuedo' excluded from Winton Results? Why Winton? Did they run the refurbished/unsealed engine there?

So many unanswered questions.

Still seems 'fishy' to me, that it's not being reported... !
The sealing issue apparently happened at the team's home base at Yatala, not at a rave meeting. Why should meeting points be scrubbed for events that didnt happen at a race meeting?

Even if you gave Mr Engel back the 102 points, he would still be the lowest scoring regular series pilot.
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ENGEL FUTURE IN LIMBO FOLLOWING V8 EXIT

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Adding insult to injury, Engel’s final points tally was recently docked 102 points after it emerged that the team had removed an engine seal without the permission of V8 Supercars mid-season.
possibly the source to this is this thread though
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