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Old 6 Feb 2006, 20:11 (Ref:1516817)   #101
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Ron's car was basically a early 80s March F2 car, with BMW Hart engine in it, still a central driving position! By about 92' single seater super saloons were banned from SMRC racing, because of this car!
They were the ones I was banging on about. Did'nt realise they banned them, good move IMHO.
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Old 6 Feb 2006, 20:32 (Ref:1516828)   #102
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Don't be so mean Al ,if they banned these for not having the wheel in the right place LHD could be next eh!!
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Old 6 Feb 2006, 20:36 (Ref:1516831)   #103
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Did'nt realise they banned them, good move IMHO.

They might just have banned them in Scotland, dunno!

Either that or just wanted to ban any of Ron's cars! After that was banned he then took the body off and raced the March in the Formula Libre race and hammered everyone there! Then he bought his Footwork and broke the lap record at Knockhill!
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Old 6 Feb 2006, 20:38 (Ref:1516833)   #104
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Mentioning Special Saloons and Lydden, what happened to the Escort V8 of Mick Tester ? Or is this the same car as Peter T's.
It is one and the same car.Repainted back in black as it was built.Somebody somewhere must have some period photo's of the car ,PLEASE as I really need them for another mag feature which in turn will help with this coming race.

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Old 6 Feb 2006, 20:43 (Ref:1516841)   #105
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They might just have banned them in Scotland, dunno!

Either that or just wanted to ban any of Ron's cars! After that was banned he then took the body off and raced the March in the Formula Libre race and hammered everyone there! Then he bought his Footwork and broke the lap record at Knockhill!
The photo's I saw of ron in libre race's,he was racing my old red 832.
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Old 6 Feb 2006, 20:53 (Ref:1516852)   #106
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The photo's I saw of ron in libre race's,he was racing my old red 832.

That would explain the Jaguar on the front then! Always wondered why Ron had a Jaguar logo on that car!
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Old 6 Feb 2006, 20:59 (Ref:1516859)   #107
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That's the one. Wish I never sold it but just had nowhere to use it other than in wales.
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Old 6 Feb 2006, 21:01 (Ref:1516861)   #108
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I really worry how much the UK club racing is so inter twined!

I am only 23! I have been "racing" for 22 years and I seem to know lots of people indirectly!

For example, I almost bought Pete's Imp, who used to own Ron Cumming's March F2 car which used the Stratos body which we owned for a while! Swapped it for a Mallock Mk3 with Adrian Hamilton who raced imps in the 80s!

Scarey!
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Old 7 Feb 2006, 00:33 (Ref:1516965)   #110
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It is one and the same car. Repainted back in black as it was built. Somebody somewhere must have some period photo's of the car, PLEASE as I really need them for another mag feature which in turn will help with this coming race.
Peter, I used to have a magazine article which featured your car, when Mick Tester raced it. I'll see if I can find it.
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Old 7 Feb 2006, 17:59 (Ref:1517405)   #111
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Thanks, if it's the fastcar article I already have a copy but otherwise I would love it.Pete
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Old 7 Feb 2006, 18:59 (Ref:1517432)   #112
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A question folks.

Are Supersaloons the same as Thunder Saloons?
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Old 7 Feb 2006, 21:47 (Ref:1517547)   #113
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Yes and no the Super Saloon championchip started in 1974 and ended in 1979. Thunder Saloons started 1983/84 and died out in the mid 90's.
Some Super Saloons did race in the early Thunder Saloon championship but most would have been ineligiable because they were sports/formula chassis with fibre glass bodies.Thunder Saloons had to be steel bodied. The class split was the same though upto 2.5 and over 2.5, so basically Super Saloons were 1970's Thunder Saloons and Thunder Saloons were 1980's Super Saloons.
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Old 7 Feb 2006, 23:21 (Ref:1517634)   #114
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And didn't the Supersaloons emerge from the old silhouette formula whereby you retained the external appearance but had all manner of interesting high performance mechanicals under the shell?
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super saloons were the fastest of the the special saloons with a few group 2 touring cars as well
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Old 7 Feb 2006, 23:56 (Ref:1517659)   #116
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So, remind me of the evolutionary process here. We had a few 'special' saloons in the 60's which ran in Libre and allcomers races; the earliest one I remember was 'Doc' Merfield's Fraud Cortina. Then we actually had special saloon car races (were they the 'silhouette cars?), followed by the Supersaloons that after a few years in the wilderness metamorphosised into Thunder saloons. Am I way off, here?
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Special saloons started running approx same time as the bigger superloons in the 70's i think? The Southern Organs/Wendy Wools series carried on after the demise of the superloons until early 90's.

Both series catered for the spaceframe/silhoutte regs - but more production/steel based machinery also competed.
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So, remind me of the evolutionary process here. We had a few 'special' saloons in the 60's which ran in Libre and allcomers races; the earliest one I remember was 'Doc' Merfield's Fraud Cortina.
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Wow look at that lean Peter, he must have been even heavier than me (reference to other post!)
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And Peter, has he just forced that dark car (Rover P6) off onto the grass?!?!..
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Wow look at that lean Peter, he must have been even heavier than me (reference to other post!)
Well it certainly wasn't caused by the weight of that minimalist crash helmet.
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The first time I saw that beastie, was at Silverstone, May 1966, entered in the Radio London Trophy for, and I quote from the programme, 'A 10 lap scratch race for saloon cars'. Saloon cars didn't have to be 'standard' even then!
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special saloon car races started in the late 1960s 68/69 .i think the theory was modified road cars .then people like doc merfield started putting V8S in cortinas and the like (this car used to do a 170mph ) buy 73 things really started to get silly the turner 5.0 skoda ,big bertha, boss capri etc these cars were still very modified road cars not silhouette type cars .the first sihouette cars started to appear in around 1974 spaced framed minis , imps around this time john maqurie started producing his spaced framed cars which won just about every championship they was to win ,in one year( late 1970s) a maquire car won every special saloon championship in the country .this is the type of car people think of when thinking of special saloons.buy the 1980s 95% of a s/s grids would of been sihouette cars (ie not a modified road car) which in the end killed s/s in 1993
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John Maguire Racing, when you think of it a lot of his achievements in design and build went unheralded - he quite comfortably is up there with the leading saloon build/prep businesses of out times.

Ok so he wasn't responsible for works backed International touring car successes in the same as the likes of Andy Rouse, Alan Mann, Broadspeed, TWR or Prodrive, but is highly regarded nonetheless.

I do remember Maguire running the odd car in Group A in the '80's, perhaps with one eye on attracting a works deal? He ran an Escort for Jock Robertson and then some BMW M3's in 1988-92 for Godfrey Hall. Certainly David Sears pedalled one very well in the few outings he had!

But those Mini's, Imps, Stiletto's were all extremely well built and competitive.
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Wasn't the first Thundersaloon race at Brands Hatch. I think the main runners were Woodman and Nicholls in their Cologne and Gartrac variants of the Capri.

Didn't Rod also race in his Escort mk2 ? I might still have the programme somewhere.
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