Improvements

[browney]

With the 2004 season over, what improvements do you think they could make to make the 2005 season even better?

I would like to see the points system changed to something simpler. Something close to the Motogp system would be good.

I hope next year we will see Ford teams other than just SBR win.

[pete55]

I too would like to see a decent points system. More actually passing on the track would be nice too, not in the pits like it is now.

[DarthFalcon]

I'd like to see points in the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system - it would be easy to follow and points would mean something, rather than the 'everybody wins a prize' system that we've got now. And you'd want to pass for a point!!

Pit stops make for more interesting and varied racing, but diving in after 3 laps isn't the best thing, and to casual observer it looks really silly. Maybe longer races where you'd need to refuel and change tyres would be better...We might end up seeing different fuel strategies like F1...

[Bigguy]

Toyota and Mitsubishi works teams joining in.
All aero devices not available on road cars removed.

[browney]

What about removing compulsory pit stops. Why do we need them, why can't you just pit if and when you need to? With the changes they have made (and I beleive they are making over the next two years) everybody will have the same equipment (in terms of tires and brake pads) so it will up to the drivers and engineers to set the car up, if the driver doesn't want to have to pit.

[peckstar]

because then we watch a race where every one is running around on dud tyres, with slow laps and even less likely to pass

[retro]

How about the changes to practice times - how much effect will this have on the teams??

[woodbine]

Getting rid of Compulsory Pit-stops wouldn't make that much of a difference to the racing, instead of putting on some shagged-out tyres for a couple of laps they would just put the best tyres on at the start.

I would like to see all of the rounds have the same format, ideally a 100k race and a 200k race. This would allow someone who has a problem in one race a chance to still score points. The 200k race would force teams to re-fuel, they should be allowed to do this at any time during the race. As part of this I would also like to see Sandown and Bathurst become stand-alone events. The enduros are just too different from the other races to be allowed to affect the championship

[eduardo1]

Originally Posted by woodbine

Getting rid of Compulsory Pit-stops wouldn't make that much of a difference to the racing, instead of putting on some shagged-out tyres for a couple of laps they would just put the best tyres on at the start.

I would like to see all of the rounds have the same format, ideally a 100k race and a 200k race. This would allow someone who has a problem in one race a chance to still score points. The 200k race would force teams to re-fuel, they should be allowed to do this at any time during the race. As part of this I would also like to see Sandown and Bathurst become stand-alone events. The enduros are just too different from the other races to be allowed to affect the championship

Yep, what he said.

Except I'd like to see 3 races: One, 15-20-lap sprint screamer - no pit stops with 20% of points up for grabs.

Then a 100km race with a tyre stop for 30% of points

Then a 200-250km race with tyre and fuel stops for 50% of points.

Varies the racing, gives the TV 3 starts/finishes for excitement and I think the fans tend to prefer that rather than just one long race.

[Raglanparade]

V8 Supercars - 2005

Change 1 =

Only the Top Ten score points.

First: 50
Second: 40
Third: 30
Fourth: 25
Fifth: 20
Sixth: 15
Seventh:10
Eighth: 8
Ninth: 5
Tenth: 2

Change 2 =

The same race format across all rounds (except Sandown and Bathurst)

Saturday: Shootout + Race 1 (100km Sprint Race - No Pitstops)

Sunday: Race 2 (300km Grand Prix Distance Race - Pitstops Allowed but no compulsory pit windows)

** I would love to see one full distance grand prix race on the Sunday, and a smaller sprint race on the saturday afternoon ** Your thoughts on this??

(For Bathurst and Sandown, it would be just the big race on the Sunday, no Saturday Sprint)

Change 3 =

Championship Points are not awarded each race, but only at the end of each round.
The computer will aggregate the results from the two races to then decide on the round winner/placings... it is from this that championship points will be allocated.
This creates less confusion, as instead of having to tally the points during every race, you only have to at the end of each round.

This means that, for example, if Marcos finished 1sec in front of Skaife in race 1, Skaife would need to finish 1 sec on front of Marcos in race 2 to beat him for the round.

This keeps drivers on their toes, and also stops drivers backing off to conserve the championship.

[Gaz170]

How about making it that cars can only re-fuel in a racing pit stop, not between the races. So, do you start the first race on full tanks & hope to make it through the weekend, or go half tank & plan a pit stop in race 2, or what.
Introduce more tactics into theevent.
Oh, and no re-fueling at compulsary pit stops.

[Kerri]

Originally Posted by Bigguy

Toyota and Mitsubishi works teams joining in.
All aero devices not available on road cars removed.

Sounds like you want them to look like Saloon Cars there Bigguy and what with the comments about Toyota and Mitsubishi, I recall a conversation I had with someone from Sydney at PI the other week

Wasn't you now was it??

[Raglanparade]

I wouldnt mind seeing Toyota and Mitsubishi (hell any manufacturer) be allowed to race in the Konica series, but i would keep the main series for just Holden and Ford.

It would add some interest to the second tier instead of just the "this is the car Anthony Tratt raced to 21st at Bathurst in 2001"

[dsg]

I would like to see F1 points system used, and sandown and bathurst as stand alone races. While we are at it remove compulsory fuel stops but limit the fuel tank size so a stop has to be made to finish the race. Changing tyres is optional but if you are stopping for fuel you may as well change them while your in.

[Average Punter]

Originally Posted by Gaz170

How about making it that cars can only re-fuel in a racing pit stop, not between the races. So, do you start the first race on full tanks & hope to make it through the weekend, or go half tank & plan a pit stop in race 2, or what.
Introduce more tactics into theevent.
Oh, and no re-fueling at compulsary pit stops.

Actually quite like your idea Gaz but would be hard to police. The cars would almost have to be parc fermed after each race....

[Raglanparade]

If they can Parc Ferme f1, they can do it to the v8's

[woodbine]

You couldn't parc ferme the cars after a race from a safety point of view. They only Parc Ferme F1 after qualifying in which the cars run 6 laps with only 2 at full speed with no close contact with other cars. That's a totally different situation from doing it after 20-30 laps of hard racing with plenty of panel damage and who knows what components on their way out.

[racer69]

1. The old F1 pointscore (10-6-4-3-2-1) put in use - If your finishing further down you don't deserve points, and it will put the emphasis on finishing at the front, and not on consistency.

2. Apart from Sandown and Bathurst, a standard single race format at each round. Just the one race. AVESCO are always on about attracting the casual viewer. One race and one winner is much easier for them to understand. Try explaining to them that Russel Ingall won the Symmons Plains round, but didn't win any of the races.

3. Lose the shoot-outs except for Bathurst, and only leave it their for traditional purposes. All-in qualifying is much more of an art. Picking the right time to go for a time to avoid the traffic, those qualifying wars, can't happen nowadays, as whatever you do in it is rendered useless once the shootout starts.

4. Dump the compulsory pitstops. How is it serious motorsport if you are changing tyres when they don't need changing? It's just a cover for the lack of passing on the track. Exactly how was Rick Kelly passing 3 cars due to pistops at Symmons exciting??? Wouldn't it have been more exciting if he had done it on the actual track, like what racing is meant to be about?

[woodbine]

Originally Posted by racer69

2. Apart from Sandown and Bathurst, a standard single race format at each round. Just the one race. AVESCO are always on about attracting the casual viewer. One race and one winner is much easier for them to understand. Try explaining to them that Russel Ingall won the Symmons Plains round, but didn't win any of the races.

I think multiple shorter races are more likely to attract the casual viewer than one that lasts two hours. As for winning a round without winning a race, simple, don't crown a round winner. Have a podium for each race, its the way its done in the BTCC. It just means that Marcos will collect even more trophies!

[Falcadore]

Originally Posted by woodbine

I think multiple shorter races are more likely to attract the casual viewer than one that lasts two hours. As for winning a round without winning a race, simple, don't crown a round winner. Have a podium for each race, its the way its done in the BTCC. It just means that Marcos will collect even more trophies!

Then it become harder to promote, because your promoting three winners instead of one, and everyone would be asking well which of the three is more of a winner than the others?

Keep round winners and a variable format. Not all tracks can run long races.

[Raglanparade]

What tracks... with the exception of i think Barbagello... cannot run longer races ??

[Falcadore]

Indy couldn't this year because of a cock up.

Can Symmons hold the entire field at once if neccessary?

[sizzle]

Originally Posted by jasonhill9884

What tracks... with the exception of i think Barbagello... cannot run longer races ??

Hidden Valley does not have the room for fuel stops, and with the open corporate area above the cars, BBQs would be the order of the day if a fire was to occur.

[Raglanparade]

How many laps of Hidden Valley would the cars be able to run on a full tank of Fuel ?

V8 Supercars will always run a high point score. This issue was bought up on V8 Superstars a couple of years ago. It was stated then that sponsors would rather hear we scored 60 Points at the Symmonds Plain Round then we didnt score any points at all.

I know it sounds silly (for those of us who understand), but the majority of the people who organise these sponsorships are not racing fanatics, and they just look at the points on their face value.

if you did a Formula 1 pointscore of 10-6-4-3-2-1, u would find that teams like Dynamik and Tasman would hardly score points for the round at all.

I beleive that only the top 10 cars should get points tho, and none of this 192 ****.

Make it:
1st = 100
2nd = 75
3rd = 50
4th = 40
5th = 30
6th = 25
7th = 20
8th = 15
9th = 10
10th = 5

and bonus points each round for:
Most Laps Led = 10 points
Pole Position = 10 points
Fastest Lap of the race = 10 points

Preferably each round should have one sprint race on the saturday afternoon and one grand prix distance race on the Sunday.

Maybe the Barbagallo and Darwin rounds could have two races on the Sunday (both of which burn through a full tank of fuel, this would stretch teams economy wise).

A computer (suppied by big pond!!) would show a running score of who is in front for the round regulary on the screen, so the viewers will be informed of the race at hand, and also the effect it has on the round standings (which is how the points are allocated).

It needs to be simplfied, and people need to be able to understand the system with ease.

[A9X05]

I think they should award points for the Top Ten Shootout, then the quickest gets awarded for being the quickest!

Any race up to 300ks is a pure sprint race to the flag, no CPS, make it an optional time when to pit! This stops the rediculous 2nd lap charge into the pits, which one day will cause carnage!
AT ALL TIMES NO PITTING UNDER YELLOWS!

OR Only have Pitstops, on a long distance type race anything over say, 300ks make those races points go towards a Teams Championship similar to the old ManufacturerChampionships ! Once again dont have pit windows make it optional !

With the points , in a co-driver situation, the drivers get half to go towards the actual drivers championship .

A driver from TEAM A wins the driver championship! and hopefully TEAM B wins the Teams championship! The team gets recognition for a team effort well done ! Hopefully that is a clear as mud.