Home  
Site Partners: SpotterGuides Veloce Books  
Related Sites: Your Link Here  

Go Back   TenTenths Motorsport Forum > Saloon & Sportscar Racing > Sportscar & GT Racing

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
Old 6 Dec 2004, 12:42 (Ref:1172199)   #1
BSchneiderFan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
United Kingdom
London, UK
Posts: 5,721
BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!
The future of the DTM

Yes, I know this is the sportscar and GT forum, but bear with me.

When the DTM/ITC collapsed at the end of 1996, Mercedes-Benz, the only manufacturer still committed after the withdrawal of Opel and Alfa Romeo, switched across to the then-new FIA GT Championship. So, might Mercedes-Benz be tempted to do the same for 2006 if the DTM can't find a new manufacturer to replace Opel? Audi will have their new prototype to race and so might decide that spending all that money just competing against Mercedes-Benz isn't worth it. AMG Mercedes-Benz SL600 for GTs?
BSchneiderFan is offline  
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?"
Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..."
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 12:48 (Ref:1172207)   #2
Fogelhund
Veteran
 
Fogelhund's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Canada
Binbrook, ON Canada
Posts: 6,958
Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!Fogelhund has a real shot at the championship!
I'm not so certain that Mercedes would come back to Sportscars after their flying car tricks. Yes, I appreciate that the odds of a "GT" flying are much less then the LMP's and Real GT1 class were, yet that black eye is still there.

I would think that if we were to see Daimler/Chrysler again, it would be a new Viper and now an Uber Coupe from Mercedes.
Fogelhund is offline  
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 13:47 (Ref:1172295)   #3
BSchneiderFan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
United Kingdom
London, UK
Posts: 5,721
BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!
Could the SL600 be made into a reasonable GT car? The V12 is, I think, normally-aspirated (of course the supercharged V8s are problematic).
BSchneiderFan is offline  
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?"
Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..."
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 15:15 (Ref:1172457)   #4
simon c
Registered User
Racer
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Location:
northwest england
Posts: 235
simon c should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
What is the maximum capacity for a blown motor in FIA GT?
simon c is offline  
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 15:17 (Ref:1172462)   #5
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by simon c
What is the maximum capacity for a blown motor in FIA GT?
4000cc.

And as this message is too short, here's a few more words. Happy now?
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 15:51 (Ref:1172497)   #6
SALEEN S7R
Veteran
 
SALEEN S7R's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2002
England
Poole, England
Posts: 7,366
SALEEN S7R should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridSALEEN S7R should be qualifying in the top 5 on the gridSALEEN S7R should be qualifying in the top 5 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by cybersdorf
4000cc.

And as this message is too short, here's a few more words. Happy now?
Thats twin turbo, right Cybersdorf? Im not 100% sure though...
SALEEN S7R is offline  
__________________
Sportscar Racing fans of the world Unite!
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 15:53 (Ref:1172501)   #7
BSchneiderFan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
United Kingdom
London, UK
Posts: 5,721
BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!
And supercharged engines are banned anyway, aren't they? Or maybe not. Someone will know.
BSchneiderFan is offline  
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?"
Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..."
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 16:41 (Ref:1172540)   #8
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid

From the FIA GT regulations:


5.4 Supercharged engines

The maximum capacity of supercharged engines is 4000cm³.

5.4.1) A compressor and/or turbocharger may only be used if such systems are fitted to the road car homologated by the FIA or from the list of acceptable cars drawn up by the FIA or if the car is homologated in N-GT and has a normally aspirated engine as standard. If the car is homologated in N-GT and has a normally aspirated engine as standard, the supercharging system must be homologated in VO by the manufacturer. For cars from the list of "Super Cars", the whole original supercharging system must be retained and not modified, with the exception of exchangers and pipes between the supercharging device, the intercooler and the manifold.

5.4.2) The engine air intake system must be fitted with one or two air restrictors 3 mm long with maximum diameters set out in Appendix 2. They must be made of metal or metal alloy and must be entirely visible once the bonnet is open and without dismounting any element or cover.


5.4.3) All restrictors must be placed no further than 50 mm from the forward face of the compressor wheel blades.

5.4.4) All the air feeding the engine must pass through these restrictors. Sealing the restrictors must lead to the immediate stopping of the engine. This check must be made at an engine speed of 2500 rpm. Pressure sensors present inside the intake system must be disconnected.

5.4.5) The right is reserved, by the Sporting Authority of the relevant Championship, to adjust the size of these air restrictors to maximise equality of performance.

5.4.6) Supercharged cars must not be equipped with any device which allows the boost pressure, or the electronic management system controlling the boost pressure, to be adjusted while the car is in motion.

5.4.7) Variable diameter inlets and adjustable internal vanes on turbochargers are forbidden. If the original car is fitted with such a system, this system must be neutralised or dismounted.
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 16:42 (Ref:1172541)   #9
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by BSchneiderFan
And supercharged engines are banned anyway, aren't they? Or maybe not. Someone will know.
In DTM, yes. In FIA-GT, no.
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 17:25 (Ref:1172583)   #10
BSchneiderFan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
United Kingdom
London, UK
Posts: 5,721
BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!
Ah well, in any event, the blown V8s are too big for GT1, so it would have to be a normally-aspirated engine anyway.
BSchneiderFan is offline  
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?"
Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..."
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 17:40 (Ref:1172592)   #11
JAG
Veteran
 
JAG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
England
Posts: 10,500
JAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Whats the chances of Mercedes entering PROCAR with their DTM cars. Afterall the series does have a touring car 'special' class.

I wouldn't rule out a LMP or GT project as they could compete in the LMES, ALMS and also FIA GT if they chose the GT1 route.

They do not neccessarily have to enter Le Mans. They refused to race their in 1990 when it was not a World Championship event.

Then again with the new aero regs in LMP1 they may well be willing to race again.

Last edited by JAG; 6 Dec 2004 at 17:41.
JAG is offline  
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 21:02 (Ref:1172807)   #12
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by JAG
Whats the chances of Mercedes entering PROCAR with their DTM cars.
Zero. why ever should they.
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 6 Dec 2004, 23:44 (Ref:1172943)   #13
BSchneiderFan
Veteran
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
United Kingdom
London, UK
Posts: 5,721
BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!BSchneiderFan is going for a new lap record!
Well, I could foresee circumstances under which the DTM folded and they had to find a home somewhere. Procar isn't such a stretch.
BSchneiderFan is offline  
__________________
Interviewer: "Will the McLaren F1 be your answer to the Ferrari F40?"
Gordon Murray: "Hmm... I don't think we have anyone at McLaren who can weld that badly..."
Quote
Old 7 Dec 2004, 00:00 (Ref:1172954)   #14
Rich R
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
United Kingdom
dudley uk
Posts: 567
Rich R should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
maybe they would enter the nurburgring 24 hours as well. every other german manufacturer with a car that is eligable seems to.
Rich R is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Dec 2004, 07:16 (Ref:1173101)   #15
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rich R
maybe they would enter the nurburgring 24 hours as well. every other german manufacturer with a car that is eligable seems to.
Seemed to.
Only one will be left next year.
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 7 Dec 2004, 14:30 (Ref:1173480)   #16
gwyllion
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Belgium
Posts: 8,738
gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by cybersdorf
Seemed to.
Only one will be left next year.
Who? BMW?

In the latest Opel and Audi press release they don't mention any participation in 24 hours of Nurburgring
gwyllion is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Dec 2004, 15:55 (Ref:1173551)   #17
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwyllion
Who? BMW?
Probably.

Quote:
In the latest Opel and Audi press release they don't mention any participation in 24 hours of Nurburgring
Nothing is confirmed on the BMW side, either...

Last edited by cybersdorf; 7 Dec 2004 at 15:55.
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 7 Dec 2004, 17:52 (Ref:1173644)   #18
FIRE
Race Official
Veteran
 
FIRE's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2003
Netherlands
Posts: 18,739
FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!FIRE is going for a new world record!
Quote:
Originally Posted by gwyllion
Who? BMW?

In the latest Opel and Audi press release they don't mention any participation in 24 hours of Nurburgring
OPC and Team Kissling Motorsport are developing a Tigra for endurance racing. From www.racing1.de:
Quote:
Opel Tigra TwinTop für die Langstrecke

Eine neue Entwicklung für den Langstreckensport ist die Rennversion des Opel Tigra TwinTop, die momentan in Zusammenarbeit von OPC und dem Team Kissling Motorsport entsteht. „Mit diesem Auto wollen wir die Einsatzmöglichkeiten des Tigra TwinTop im Motorsport demonstrieren“, sagt Opel-Sportchef Volker Strycek. „Über Testeinsätze werden wir in naher Zukunft entscheiden. Wenn der Tigra sein Potenzial bestätigt, werden wir ihn auch interessierten Kundenteams für den Einsatz bei Langstreckenrennen anbieten.“

Last edited by FIRE; 7 Dec 2004 at 17:53.
FIRE is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Dec 2004, 21:06 (Ref:1173836)   #19
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by FIRE
OPC and Team Kissling Motorsport are developing a Tigra for endurance racing. From www.racing1.de:
That's only goiung to be a 2l car, though. A class winner perhaps, but nothing like the Astra V8.
Given how strapped for cash Opel is right now, they will only bring the Astras back if someone pays for it all. I don't think they will be able to find such a generous sponsor. The Vectra is not developped for endurance racing at all.

Dr. Ullrich of Audi stated that recently a works effort on the Ring is not on the 2005 agenda for Audi Sport. They don't want to showcase the TT anymore, and the A4 is not an endurance car (same thing as with the Vectra).

With no open works competition, will BMW bother?
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 7 Dec 2004, 21:13 (Ref:1173846)   #20
JAG
Veteran
 
JAG's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2002
England
Posts: 10,500
JAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the gridJAG should be qualifying in the top 3 on the grid
Quote:
Originally Posted by cybersdorf
With no open works competition, will BMW bother?
Where else can they race?

Last edited by JAG; 7 Dec 2004 at 21:14.
JAG is offline  
Quote
Old 7 Dec 2004, 23:59 (Ref:1173966)   #21
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
Why should they race the GTR at all, it's an obsolete model... - and they spend enough money on F1 and touringcars. BMW doesn't need the GTR anymore.
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 8 Dec 2004, 00:09 (Ref:1173976)   #22
Rich R
Veteran
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
United Kingdom
dudley uk
Posts: 567
Rich R should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
back on the subject of mercedes racing at lemans, i don't think they will be seen for a while unfortunately. it was bad enough publicity for the company in 1999, even without their unfortunate history at the track being bought up.
Rich R is offline  
Quote
Old 8 Dec 2004, 00:26 (Ref:1173981)   #23
cybersdorf
Veteran
 
Join Date: Oct 2001
Austria
Vienna, Austria
Posts: 3,580
cybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the gridcybersdorf should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
You need to look at it this way: Merc is the DTM. Without Merc's money, the other two would have packed up and left long ago. The regulations are tailor-made for Merc. Why should Merc go anywhere else, and face real competition?
cybersdorf is offline  
__________________
Oops
Quote
Old 9 Dec 2004, 08:57 (Ref:1175077)   #24
mikmx
Racer
 
mikmx's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2004
Netherlands
rotterdam
Posts: 138
mikmx should be qualifying in the top 10 on the grid
I hope BMW will race the GTR at Spa 24hrs this year. the result this year was not that good and knowing BMW they will be back to get a result (stuck said something about the disappointing result and a possible comeback in an interview). They did the same this year at the ring 24hrs in 2003 they failed (but learned) and they won this year. So I think they will race the GTR at the Ring and Spa.
mikmx is offline  
__________________
Racing MaX-5 NL
Quote
Old 9 Dec 2004, 09:58 (Ref:1175111)   #25
gwyllion
Veteran
 
Join Date: Mar 2004
Belgium
Posts: 8,738
gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!gwyllion is going for a new world record!
The GTR is obsolete with the new 3 series coming out next year.
gwyllion is offline  
Quote
Reply

Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off

Forum Jump

Similar Threads
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
Future Changes mabs_nsx Formula One 68 13 Aug 2005 13:06
The Future.........???? AndyF National & Club Racing 54 4 Jul 2003 23:41
Future Tourer Future Crash Test Australasian Touring Cars. 13 17 Jul 2002 23:01
What is the future? Midge Marshals Forum 2 23 Jun 2002 20:55


All times are GMT. The time now is 13:01.


Powered by vBulletin® Version 3.8.11
Copyright ©2000 - 2024, vBulletin Solutions Inc.
Original Website Copyright © 1998-2003 Craig Antil. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2004-2021 Royalridge Computing. All Rights Reserved.
Ten-Tenths Motorsport Forums Copyright © 2021-2022 Grant MacDonald. All Rights Reserved.