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1986 RAC British Saloon Car Championship - Discussion & Results
1986 RAC Tricentrol British Touring Car Championship
Classes: Class A: 2501-3600 cc Class B: 1601-2500 cc Class C: 1301-1600 cc Class D: under 1300 cc Only 9 rounds for 1986 and in the 1983-1990 period this is the one I know the least of. The 1300 cc class I have read about either here or on the Nostalgia Forum. These are also the source for most other info I've gathered about 1986. Round 1 – April 13 1986, Silverstone 1./ #1? / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti / pole 2./ #? / Dennis Leech / Leech / A / Rover Vitesse ? / #? / Peter Lovett / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra ? / #? / Barry Barnes / Mann's Garage / A / BMW 635CSi ? / #? / Rob Kirby / Alfa Romeo Dealer Team / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 2.5 Round 2 – May 26 1986, Thruxton 1./ #? / Mike Newman / Newman / A / BMW 635CSi ? / #1? / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti / pole Round 3 – June 8 1986, Silverstone 1./ #1? / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti / pole DSQ / #? / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S / disqualified for underweight Round 4 – June 15 1986, Donington Park 1./ #1? / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti / pole Round 5 – July 13 1986, Brands Hatch 1./ #20 / Jeff Allam / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse 2./ #22 / Jean-Louis Schlesser / TWR / A / Rover Vitesse / pole 10./ #? / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S ? / #? / Dennis Leech / Leech / A / Rover Vitesse ? / #? / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo ? / #? / Neil McGrath / Linden / A / Rover Vitesse ? / #? / Mike O'Brien / Linden / A / Rover Vitesse ? / #? / David Sears / Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra ? / #? / Mark Hales / Terry Drury / B / Ford Escort RS Turbo ? / #? / Roger Saunders / unknown / B / Renault 5 GT Turbo ? / #? / Chris Maries / unknown / B / Renault 5 GT Turbo ? / #? / Colin Pearcy / unknown / B / MG Metro Turbo ? / #? / Martin Carroll / unknown / B / Mercedes-Benz 190E 2.3-16 / prod. saloon ? / #? / Mike Smith? / unknown / B / Ford Escort RS Turbo / prod. Saloon ? / #? / Chris Hodgetts / CHMS / C / Toyota Corolla GT / class win ? / #? / Mikael Sundström / Peugeot Sport UK / C / Peugeot 205 GTI / second in class ? / #? / Tony Crudgington / Crudgington / C / Toyota Corolla GT ? / #? / Paul Taft / Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i ? / #? / Alan Minshaw / CHMS / C / Toyota Corolla GT ? / #? / Alastair Davidson / unknown / C / Ford Fiesta XR2 ? / #? / Nick Sismey / unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti ? / #? / Richard Belcher / Julian May-N.Essex Ms. / C / Ford Escort RS1600i ? / #? / Tony Lanfranchi / Monorep / D / Vauxhall Nova ? / #? / James Kaye / Containerships / D / Vauxhall Nova Round 6 – August 10 1986, Snetterton 1./ #? / Peter Hall / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti ? / #1? / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti / pole DNF / #? / Brian Chatfield / Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S / engine Round 7 – August 25 1986, Brands Hatch Race shortened from 40 to 20 laps due to rain. 13 group A cars and a number Ford Escort XR3 race school cars and their instructors started the race. 1./ #1? / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti / pole 2./ #? / Mike O'Brien / Linden / A / Rover Vitesse 3./ #? / Mikael Sundström / Peugeot Sport UK / C / Peugeot 205 GTI / started 13. - class winner Round 8 – September 14 1986, Donington Park 1./ #1? / Andy Rouse / Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti / pole Round 9 – October 5 1986, Silverstone 1./ #? / David Brodie / Brodie / A / Mitsubishi Starion Turbo ? / #? / Colin Pearcy / unknown / B / MG Metro Turbo ? / #? / Barry Robinson / T.W. Robinson Demolition, SDC Builders / A / BMW 635CSi Championship positions (from the BTCC page) 1.Chris Hodgetts (85 points) CHMS / C / Toyota Corolla GT 2.Richard Longman (70 points) Datapost / B / Ford Escort RS Turbo 3.Andy Rouse (57 points) Rouse / A / Ford Sierra XR4Ti 4.Rob Kirby (42 points) ARDT / B / Alfa Romeo GTV6 and 75 V6 5.Mike Newman (39 points) Newman / A / BMW 635CSi 6.Pete Hall (36 points) 7.Alan Curnow (33 points) Datapost / B or C? / Ford Escort RS 7.Paul Taft (33 points) Brooklyn / C / Ford Escort RS1600i 9.Tony Lanfranchi (26 points) Monorep / D / Vauxhall Nova 10.Jon Dooley (23 points) ARDT / B / Alfa Romeo 75 V6 10.Tony Crudgington (23 points) Crudgington / C / Toyota Corolla GT 12.Mark Hales (21 points) 13.Mikael Sundström (14 points) Peugeot Sport UK / C / Peugeot 205 GTI 14.Mike O'Brien (11 points) Linden / A / Rover Vitesse 15.Jeff Allam (10 points) TWR / A / Rover Vitesse 15.James Kaye (10 points) Containerships / D / Vauxhall Nova 15.Dennis Leech (10 points) Leech / A / Rover Vitesse 15.Alan Minshaw (10 points) CHMS / C / Toyota Corolla GT 19.Alistair Davidson (8 points) unknown / C / Ford Fiesta XR2 20.Colin Pearcy (7 points) Pearcy? / B / MG Metro Turbo 20.Jean-Louis Schlesser (7 points) TWR / A / Rover Vitesse 22.Neil McGrath (6 points) Linden / A / Rover Vitesse 23.Lionel Abbott (4 points) unknown / C / Ford Escort RS1600i 23.Geoff Kimber-Smith (4 points) AGK / C / Toyota Corolla GT 23.David Sears (4 points) Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra 26.Peter Lovett (3 points) Hughes of Beaconsfield / A / Toyota Celica Supra 27.Nick Sismey (3 points) unknown / C / Alfa Romeo Alfasud Ti 27.Roger Saunders (3 points) unknown / B / Renault 5 GT Turbo 29.Brian Chatfield (2 points) Chatfield / A / Ford Capri 3.0S, also a BMW 635CSi? 29.Richard Belcher (2 points) North Essex Motorsport / C / Ford Escort RS1600i 31.Barry Barnes (1 point) Mann's Garage / A / BMW 635CSi Time to knod off for today. 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Re the Class D Novas, IIRC, Lanfranchi's was his regular Monorep prodsaloon. Kaye's at the GP meeting might have been a full Group A Nova. Kaye raced a Nova in prodsaloons, but I dont recall whether Containerships were his regular sponsor or not- they did sponsor a 2-car Vauxhall rally team, running a Group A Astra GT/E (Tony Saddington) and Nova (Chris Birkbeck) with distinctive registration numbers. If Containerships weren't his regular prodsaloon entrant, could Kaye have been using Birkbeck's rally Nova? |
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The results I have for 1986 R7 show the Escorts as class C.
Rouse O'Brien Sundstrom Hall Hodetts Curnow Longman Newman Dooley Hales Kirby Cole XR3i Creswell XR3i Shortle XR3i Rogers XR3i Argetsinger XR3i Crudgington Edwards XR3i Rogers XR3i King XR3i Taft |
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OK, so I knew we had Stuart Cole and Chris Creswell, but can you fill in the Christian names for the others? I can guess a few going down the list- I'm pretty sure several of them were fairly well-known FF1600 faces of the period: Rick Shortle? Peter Rogers? (I suspect the other Rogers further down the list might be his sister Lucy, who as I recall also raced Formula Ford at the time? |
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If it was the Containerships Group A rally Nova that Kaye used at the GP meeting, rather than his own prodsaloon, then this could be the car in question (seen here with Chris Birkbeck on the Manx Rally) http://www.flickr.com/photos/howiend...l-1273065@N23/ All we need now is a pic of Kaye at the GP.... |
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Just noticed Peter Lovett's name as driver of the Hughes Supra at the opening round?
Didn't remember that one?! He may have been evaluating the car for the season, or put in to help 'advertise' it perhaps? Either way it was the first time we'd seen him in the BTCC since his removal from the Sanyo TWR Rover team midway through 1984 IIRC? |
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The car next appeared at the GP meeting for David Sears (3rd behind the TWR Rovers), and then Lovett and Bob Meacham drove it at the TT, with Vodafone sponsorship, but didn't start after shunting it in qualifying http://homepage.mac.com/frank_de_jon...lverstone.html |
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Oops- heading of last post should read BTCC Round 2-Thruxton- not sure how I left Silverstone in there as well.....
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I apologise for my laziness, I am keen to help out and plug in any gaps. I don't have much time to go through the whole thread, but could anyone point out which race results that need completing or filling in?
I got 1986-1990 Motoring News newspapers and I got it with me now. Thank you.
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Thank you for your offer, Bigears. I myself have been off for some time, mainly looking at historical Le Mans results and tid-bits.
As KA mentioned, grid positions is missing for some rounds: R1: Silverstone (13 April) only pole position known R5: Brands Hatch (13 July) a few issues at the lower end of the grid R7: Brands Hatch (25 August) grid positions for the BH Escort XR3s R9: Silverstone (5 October) incomplete grid Qualifying times for just about every round bar: R6: Snetterton (10 August) complete R7: Brands Hatch (25 August) only the BH Escort XR3s missing Fastest lap times is in general good shape, except for the odd time missing as follows: R2: Thruxton (26 May) Lionel Abbott's time missing R6: Snetterton (10 August) Times for Mike O'Brien, Brian Chatfield and Richard Belcher - all DNFs - missing. For Round 5, the Brands Hatch GP support race, there's some doubt as to weather Mike Smith and Chris Maries started, qualified or even showed up for that race. Clarification of the matter would be nice. Finally the points situation is always in need of a bit of tidying up, so if you could add the odd point standings from a few of the races, it would be fine. Dave Brodie won the final round but didn't receive any points, so if you can find clues as to why, that would be nice. Thats what I can think of for 1986, besides the general discussion about the season. Jesper Last edited by Jesper OH; 19 Apr 2010 at 06:46. |
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In their Nov '86 issue (the same one as the famous Ayrton Senna rallycar test) Cars & Car Conversions published an article on the decline of the BTCC
The article is headlined 'Not Fade Away: Why was the 1986 RAC British Saloon Car Championhip such a waste of time' and is headed with a pic of the 12-car grid at Donington. There are some interesting quotes from drivers and representatives of teams and sponsors: Andy Rouse felt that the Austin Rover withdrawal in '84 'was the start of the slippery slope; before that the championship was in a reasonably healthy state but people were put off because there was a tarnish to it; manufacturers, for sure were put off' Conversely, Pete Hall felt that the arrival of TWR/Austin Rover was part of the problem 'not because they were doing anything wrong, but because they came well-prepared, they were just too good and started to frighten people away' The sheer cost of Group A was a cause for concern- Richard Longman said' the main cause is a lack of money; it is a terminal disease, the rules are very complicated and you can find yourself with a car that is fashionable for one year- after that the manufacturer would prefer that you didn't race it, then you're stuck with a car that cost 50k to build. The capital cost is too high these days...some of the electronic engine management systems cost 5-6k each. The technical explosion has made running costs ridiculous The handling of the class structure was another issue- Mike Lindsey of Alfa Romeo Dealer Team commented on the dropping of the 1300cc class in the early 80s which excluded a number of cars, followed by reintroducing it for 1986 'when nobody was geared up to do it' Equally, 'In hindsight, I don't think the 3.6-litre upper limit was a good idea either, now we are running to Group A regulations. We should be exactly the same as Europe with no artificial upper limit' There's quite a lot of comment on a lack of commitment and promotion from former sponsor Trimoco, both Mike Lindsey and Pete Hall remarking on the lack of promotion the series recieved- Hall: I am very critical of Trimoco as a sponsor because it made no effort. Compare the company with Uniroyal which deseves the success of the prodsaloon series because it looked at sponsorship as more than just the name on the car- it saw it as an event, brought customers to every race, got the competitors involved and has always taken an interest. The RAC gets quite a rough ride....the failure of the deal for Lucas to sponsor the 1986 series, which led to them jumping ship to back F3, the perceived cutting of corners over the number and length of races, shortage of prize money and even lack of garlands & champagne for class winners- 'The races are being cut and cut, to the stage where we only get 30 minutes practice and a 12 lap race, which is about the same as some of the leading FF1600 series get '(Mike Lindsey, ARDT) 'This year, to a certain extent, the championhip has been downgraded with one-day meetings, just one practice session and 12 lap races, rather like a club event..and at Brands on August Bank Holiday Monday, we were reduced from 40 to 20 laps (Max Churchouse, Datapost) At the Brands GP meeting, Churchouse apparently found himself having to explain to no less than the head of the Post Office why Richard Longman hadn't received a garland for winning Class B.... Communication between the RAC and competitors was apparently poor- for example, the rule requiring a minimum number of starters for full points to be awarded in a class was apparently dropped- but no official notification of this was given to teams. The revived 1300 cc class only saw entries on three occasions, Tony Lanfranchi being the sole starter twice. The article asks if Lanfranchi had started enough (7) races and scored maximum points from them, would the RAC have awarded him the title? One anonymous driver said 'a lot of the blame could be laid squarely at the door of the RAC' and described it as 'a professional championhip run by amateurs' The article ends with an outline of the changes proposed for '87- the new class structure (A-2501+, B-2001-2500, C-1601-2000 and D- up to 1600), the removal of the 3.6 litre limit, an increase to 12 rounds and the expected appointment of a Championship Co-Ordinator Last edited by KA; 25 Apr 2010 at 13:38. |
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Interesting points there, KA. This leads to why 1987 was the start of a BTCC revival - sheer determination and persinstance from the competitors?
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