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25 Jul 2013, 11:29 (Ref:3281425) | #1 | |
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Frijns to replace Hulkenberg?
...has been rumoured.
http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns25957.html Don't see the logic in it myself, but it's interesting. If anything it looks like the new owners would be more keen to get a Russian in, thus pushing out Robin. |
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25 Jul 2013, 11:44 (Ref:3281427) | #2 | ||
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Given that Frijns has had to pull out of GP2 because he's run out of money, I'm not us how or why he'd get into F1.
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25 Jul 2013, 12:02 (Ref:3281434) | #3 | |
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i suppose the logic being that it's cheaper to run a driver who will do it for nothing as opposed to someone who will require paying for the privilege of driving a car that isn't as competitive as he expected it to be.
realistically there's not many people with cash to buy the seat worth taking the gamble on. so why not put your third driver in there? especially if he has a superb reputation and will get a lot of positive press regardless of how he performs in the car. |
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25 Jul 2013, 12:10 (Ref:3281436) | #4 | |
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Let's say it does happen - do Force India, say, swoop in for Nico this year? Or Lotus? Or maybe Ferrari? They'd have nothing to lose if they decide their second drivers aren't going to be in the team in 2014.
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i think the suggestion was that hulkenberg would sit out the rest of the season and learn the ropes at ferrari. then again it could have been lotus and i got the wrong end of the rumour stick.
it seems odd, but i suppose it kind of makes sense. it's a bit of an odd situation in that hulkenberg is now effectively driving without a contract, and if he has an offer for next year he's better off spending the time learning the new team, getting into the process of developing the new car and developing the relevant personal relationships with people he'll be working with closely next year. his alternative is to hang around and race a car he's not having a great deal of success with and finds difficult to drive, and not be quite so prepared next season. |
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Could make sense. Hulkenburg has not been paid, and contract is terminted. Russian driver comes in, drives for free and at the same time helps politically with Sauber obtaining Russian money / takeover.
(This is all just off the top of my head, and I have probably misunderstood the whole thing wildly) |
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i don't know where people keep getting the russian takeover thing from. it isn't. it's a big ass sponsorship deal effectively. everything else stays the same.
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The takeover stories are out there - how credible they are is another story...
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I'd say get Frijns in there, it can't do either team or driver any harm as they aren't expected to win and Robin will get valuable F1 seat time at a time when other than the young driver stuff, you cannot get into an F1 car properly!
Frijns would likely blow Gutierrez into the weed and put himself right on the map for a full seat next year. having said that he hasn't exactly blown Lancaster away in GP2... but then Jon is vastly underrated so no disgrace there in my opinion. Hulkenberg wouldn't miss much because it's all new cars for next season. |
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it's very difficult to blow anybody into the weeds on a consistent basis in gp2 though, being fair to robin. that's one of the reasons nobody is running to throw their money at it. really it's just one big lottery.
sauber aren't exactly afraid to put young talent in their cars. |
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Another crash kid in F1? Oh boy.
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he's not a crash kid... he just makes the occasional error of judgement
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Look, he's certainly not the worst thing that could be coming to F1. But he has a history of throwing it up the inside and if the pressure to perform is high, there could be shattered carbon fiber. Not saying it will happen, but it surely could.
Not to mention it doesn't take a lot to be labelled a crasher in F1. Kobayashi had only 1-2 crashes a year in F1, and still some people considered him a crasher. |
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i wouldn't call him a bold move merchant, more of an overly defensive driver. that said i would share the same hesitations - if he didn't chill out a bit it could get a bit nasty in the press. particularly since he's fairly prickly about his own driving.
the question would be whether it would be a waste of his f1 debut and the chance to make a good impression, or whether it would be his *only* chance at making a f1 debut. i think the sauber is a good enough car to be worth the gamble on his part, and his teammate wouldn't wipe the floor with him so if it was a possibility then it's probably worth grabbing with both hands. of course it's all totally academic unless hulkenberg sods off elsewhere. |
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I know of his move (and I use the word 'move' very loosely) at the end of FR3.5 last year, but does that one stupid move really mean he has 'a history'? I'm not familiar with his pre-3.5 days so for all I know he may have been horrendous before then, but he won whatever title preceded his 3.5 campaign so he can't have been that bad, right? |
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There is only ONE REASON Nico should go. He's quite a good driver, probably underrated, and fast, too. Frijns is just too big of a risk: as was said before, he could become the next "crash kid"... an exact repeat of Gutierrez.
The reason he should go is this: he's too good to be marooned in a team like Sauber. He deserves a Ferrari seat. Esteban would be best to go back to GP2 or maybe do IndyCar or Formula E... |
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He made another late dive that weekend on Nasr, but Nasr let him through generously. There's also his dive on Richelmi in Bahrain that caused damage. I also don't like the way he drove Calado off the track at Silverstone and he had a few unsavory incidents last year in FR3.5 as well. I'm hesitant to sweep it all under the rug, and maybe it's nothing to worry about and he'll be fine in F1, but I don't know. |
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he stood out as being err robust in 3.5, since that's not really the kind of driving you get there. but off the top of my head he never really got any penalties aside from barcelona, which imo was right. silverstone was a bit borderline but the stewards are by the book and don't *not* penalise someone for being a championship leader or anything.
nasr let him through "generously"? isn't that just smart racing? usually late dives end up in going offline and you can get the place back... i'll give you that dive on richelmi though, that was very silly. i do agree that he's got a history of silly, but gp2 encourages that kind of crap so can you blame him for going native? saying he'll be a crasher like gutierrez is daft, frankly. i don't see it as a risk for sauber at all. the only risk is for frijns himself, but if not now, then when? (don't know why i'm defending him like a fangirl, his driving bothers me as well, but it's nowhere NEAR as bad as people seem to think) |
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Silly move granted, though in F1 he would probably have been considered alongside, where Bird would have been expected to go, I don't know! |
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True; however, I think that it is unlikely that Sauber would overhaul the likes of Toro Rosso (or anyone above) in the constructors championship. Similarly, I can't see Caterham or Marussia making up the deficit to Sauber. As such, the only risk is that Williams get their act together and push Sauber down to 9th in the standings.
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