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Old 9 Dec 2016, 15:35 (Ref:3695016)   #61
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a) Not one white person drives one as they are all taxis obviously for the airport. It used to be Octavias hence if you look on Ebay scores of them have done 200000 miles and still command a high price, bless em.
outside of the cabbie orbit, i do see a fair number of what are obviously white tree huggers driving them, though in real life the only people i know with a hybrid have a leaf...

i maintain my original stance on these - the batteries are still foul for the environment which really defeats the object. i've had a baby toyota thing (maybe an auris?) in hybrid format as a hire car and not only were the fuel figures naff it was the daftest piece of nonsense i've ever had the misfortune to drive. and i've had a suzuki sj413, so i'm familiar with nonsense
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Old 10 Dec 2016, 23:06 (Ref:3695209)   #62
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In Australia Toyota are selling / trying to sell hybrid Corollas for the same price as the standard Corolla, think the manufacturers have been found out as to how expense greenwashing cars is for the consumer?
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 07:00 (Ref:3695435)   #63
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I'd buy a hybrid (or full electric car) under 2 circumstances -

1 - It looked and acted like a normal car
2 - It actually provided a fuel saving

Electric cars and hybrids are often (rightly) laughed at because they look ridiculous. Cars like the Audi A3 E-Tron and Tesla Model S finally bring normal looks to the market. I don't want to drive around in a golf cart with a Nissan badge on it. I want a real car.

The original Prius in the real world was often only bringing 50mpg. My half broken 10 year old petrol Fiesta can get 45mpg. So why would I buy the expensive hybrid for 5mpg? With some small cars getting upwards of 60mpg, a hybrid doesn't seem completely logical at this stage.

I want a normal car that provides a fuel saving. I'm not interested in emissions and saving the planet. The 10 largest container ships in the world have higher emissions than every car in the world combined. The aerospace industry isn't much better. Hammering on the every day person to reduce emissions to save the world is meaningless when industry continues to operate the way it does.
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 08:12 (Ref:3695449)   #64
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I know someone who did regular 150 miles a day in an older Prius, he had a little Toyota aswell can't remember the name, but got better mileage out of that.

Battery pack went, cost him a fortune to replace it, but he did get good resale on it, but it seems if you do high mileage in them the pack goes early, he was told this by Toyota. Wanted to stay with Toyota but they couldn't offer him a decent deal on anything

He bought a little 1.3 Swift packed to the rafters with goodies for less than 10 grand, nicer to drive, got better gas mileage, far better equipment, more space, and what he saved on gas made up for the negligible tax bonus.

Resale would be poor, but the new Swift holds its value really well so perhaps not as bad as you think.

I think in the UK they are still a novelty new, they are over priced and second hand in a lot of places are being snapped up by cabbies, certainly where I live.

To make them more buyable they need to take the hit simply put.
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 08:33 (Ref:3695456)   #65
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Why are they so popular with taxi drivers? It appears as though the MPG gain is not significant, and the reliability is not there yet. Those Skoda Octavias were used because they'd do 250,000 miles without a serious issue. You won't get that from a Prius. Are these hybrid taxis being subsidised by councils?
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Old 12 Dec 2016, 10:24 (Ref:3695481)   #66
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They are popular in Luton because there is a cottage industry here looking after them because of the airport and the cabbing.

Always been a lot of Japanese parts blokes here as it's Luton and a lot of Asians buy Japanese cars, until they get money then Mercs and Beemers!

They are fairly cheap to run, but it's mainly the cheap road tax, a bit silly, but it's a trend that has caught on.

They are not that roomy or economical, but it's the tax that they love, as I said before.
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Why are they so popular with taxi drivers? It appears as though the MPG gain is not significant, and the reliability is not there yet. Those Skoda Octavias were used because they'd do 250,000 miles without a serious issue. You won't get that from a Prius. Are these hybrid taxis being subsidised by councils?
In Australia, the Hybrid guts of a Prius are installed in a Toyota Camry body and becomes the weapon of choice here for both hire cars and taxi cabs.

I have been in one recently with 750,000km on it.. and the owner/driver reckoned it was only on its 2nd battery pack!

Our rules have cabs not being able to be more than 6 years old, so this one was still a year or so away from its end.

Would hate to buy one 2nd hand.. a cab that is.. although that would be true of petrol or diesel driven ones as well.
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Old 13 Dec 2016, 00:34 (Ref:3695669)   #68
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They are popular in Luton because there is a cottage industry here looking after them because of the airport and the cabbing.

Always been a lot of Japanese parts blokes here as it's Luton and a lot of Asians buy Japanese cars, until they get money then Mercs and Beemers!

They are fairly cheap to run, but it's mainly the cheap road tax, a bit silly, but it's a trend that has caught on.

They are not that roomy or economical, but it's the tax that they love, as I said before.

Bet you that there is some special discount from the manufacturers to the cabbies available on the hybrids from the manufacturers.
Are there government incentives paid to the cabbies if they are driving hybrids?


Here we go, mystery of hybrid taxis cleared up courtesy of gurgler:

https://www.gov.uk/government/news/g...ssion-vehicles

Govt paying hundreds of millions of pounds to purchase hybrids, up to 35% off the price of your taxi.

Nothing like our political masters squandering your tax contributions against the nearest wall.

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Old 13 Dec 2016, 06:54 (Ref:3695709)   #69
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There is a reason why there are countless tens of them in Luton.

But it is nothing to do with governments, it is far more to do with cultural stereotypes and certain races of people who are more obsessed with money than just about anything else thinking they are saving money.

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There is a reason why there are countless tens of them in Luton.

But it is nothing to do with governments, it is far more to do with cultural stereotypes and certain races of people who are more obsessed with money than just about anything else thinking they are saving money.

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You sure there, they're usually the first guys on that type of incentive!
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Old 14 Dec 2016, 12:19 (Ref:3696122)   #71
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The eco credentials don't add up, we all know that, but in the UK the company car tax regime is hugely biased towards hybrids and plug-ins. We have had Lexus Rx400h's for 11 years now. They're fast, comfortable, utterly reliable and save a fortune on the income tax bill, I mean 1000's every year. When we got our first one a friend bought a petrol XC90, arguably a similar size and spec of car. They got 16mpg round the country lanes, we get 28 so there is also an economical argument there.

2 years ago we bought a Mitsubishi Outlander plug-in for one of our managers. It's horrible to drive and to get anywhere near the claimed distance on the battery you can't use the heater or air con! The 20 mile commute uses 2 litres of petrol or 1 full charge. The electricity costs about 70% of the petrol, but you end up using both if you want to be warm/cool! On longer runs the leccy is soon used up and the charge points on motorways are always out of order. Not a fan of these!
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