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Old 5 Jan 2004, 21:58 (Ref:828921)   #16
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Roy Salvadori won the 1958 Gold Cup in the only race of the day, September 20, and it was, as has already been stated set for Sports Cars. Salvo drove a Lotus 15 that started on the third row and managed to take the lead on lap 4 overtaking Ivor Bueb at Esso (no Shell those days!). Bueb hung on to 2nd with Bruce Halford third. Both of the latter two drove Lister-Jags. Salvo told me last year that he considers this to be a 'Gold Cup win'!
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Old 5 Jan 2004, 22:05 (Ref:828932)   #17
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PS I have the Autosport in front of me as I type and it describes the meeting as the Gold Cup meeting and shows Salvo on the cover, although the results sheets states 'Oulton Park International Car Meeting'. On top of this the editorial describing the cover states 'Gold Cup winner...' but Gregor Grant's narrative doesn't mention it! Bizarre or what?
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Old 5 Jan 2004, 22:22 (Ref:828961)   #18
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But what is the contemporary EVIDENCE that this was actually the Gold Cup? The raceday programme is very clear.

BTW, there were other races that day for 500cc F3 (fastest lap by Trevor Taylor), a 1100cc sports car race (won by Alan Stacey) and a Historic race.
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Old 9 Jan 2004, 20:56 (Ref:833063)   #19
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I will check the inscription on the trophy when I am next at OP - in a couple of weeks. Yes there were a couple of other races (misread my own book!). The F3 race was won by Tom Bridger from behind the wheel of a Cooper Mk9 and Hugh Begley in a 1934 Frazer-Nash won the Vintage Sports & Historic Racing Cars event. Alan Stacey was a winner in the Up to 1100cc class of the Sports Car race. Hope this helps!
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 12:10 (Ref:833505)   #20
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That would be very interesting. A few things to consider.

First, I think the cup on the day in 1958 was, according to the programme, called the Lookers Cup. By the 1961 Gold Cup meeting, the 1958 Salvadori win was certainly being CALLED the Gold Cup in the programme, but was it on the day in 1958?

Second, is the Gold Cup at Oulton the original? The 1955 programme has a picture of the 1954 Gold Cup and that is inscribed as the Daily Dispatch Oulton International Gold Cup race. The Cup in the Salvadori photo looks different from that one. I dont know about later ones?

Third, I have some recollection that Jackie Ickx lost the Gold Cup after winning it in 1969. Is that so? And did they ever get it back?

One further puzzle. In the Salvadori photo in his autobiography he gets the 1958 trophy (whatever it is called!) from Colin Chapman. But the Autosport report by Gregor Grant says that "Reg Parnell presented Salvadori with his trophy". Were there perhaps two cups, one of which was a cup to keep, and one of which was the returnable Gold Cup?

Anyone else know anything about this?

Of course, if Gold Cups can be awarded after the event, Surtees Historic Gold Cup win of 1981 could perhaps be given to the winner of the F3 race that day...Jonathan Palmer. I think the F3 race should have been the Gold Cup anyway...
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Old 10 Jan 2004, 15:13 (Ref:833607)   #21
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Was not the first Gold Cup given to Stirling Moss to keep after he won it 3 times in a row ,and five times in all,in fact every time he was entered?

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Old 10 Jan 2004, 17:54 (Ref:833699)   #22
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I'll get back to you on all of those points guys - I'm pretty certain that Stirling didn't keep the cup tho'. As for Jackie Ickx losing it, he claims that he didn't but Derek Bell did. Derek Bell of course also denies this, so the mystery goes on. As soon as I have some news I'll pass it on. Cheers
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I have the lookers cup it is engraved:

Lookers lap Speed Trophy
Presented by Lookers Ltd
Annually with Replica
To the driver
Completing the fastest lap
At Oulton Park Circuit
Oulton Park Circuit



Winners Time

1954 Stirling Moss 85.40 MPH
1955 Stirling Moss 87.71 MPH
1956 Roy Salvadori 84.95 MPH
1957 Graham Hill 87.81 MPH
1958 Roy Salvadori 86.28 MPH
1959 Stirling Moss 97.64 MPH
1960 Jim Clark 97.07 MPH
1961 Stirling Moss ' 93.42 MPH
1962 Jim Clark 99.40 MPH
1963 Jim Clark ' 100.20 MPH
1964 Jim Clark 96.50 MPH
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