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Old 9 Jun 2008, 10:56 (Ref:2223558)   #1
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Bemani Toyota Supra

a couple of years ago i corresponded with a UK owner of a (reputedly) bermani Supra , supposedly a factory car raced 1989-93. I would like to track him down as his email has "died"
does anyone know of this car or any other GpA period Supras still exist??.
I was talking with John Smith in Sydney today about his GpA Supra which he still takes out occassionally. Luckily i had a spare magnesium bellhousing for him after his clutch let go at the last historic meeting.
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Old 9 Jun 2008, 12:07 (Ref:2223621)   #2
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There was a mention in a Group A Toyota thread a while back of one of the Bemani cars being raced in the Swiss touring car series in 1993/4, fitted with a 2-litre engine. A guy named Rudiger Naf also apparently ran one in the Divinol Tourenwagen Cup in Germany around 1999- those details posted in the thread are about the limit of my knowledge...

A red Supra, almost certainly one of the ex-MIL cars, ran in Thundersaloon races in the early 90s in the UK. I don't remember who ran it, but vaguely recall it was re-engined with an RS500 unit. I know I've got pics somewhere of the car at Brands, probably taken around 1992/3-ish, as I saw them recently while looking for something else. I'll dig them out, scan one and see it it sparks any memories...
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a couple of years ago i corresponded with a UK owner of a (reputedly) bermani Supra , supposedly a factory car raced 1989-93. I would like to track him down as his email has "died"
does anyone know of this car or any other GpA period Supras still exist??.
I was talking with John Smith in Sydney today about his GpA Supra which he still takes out occassionally. Luckily i had a spare magnesium bellhousing for him after his clutch let go at the last historic meeting.
Have you contacted TRD...for instance, the Bates group in Canberra? they may have hooks into the factory that could provide parts
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Old 9 Jun 2008, 13:12 (Ref:2223701)   #4
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I was racing against a very nice white one at Mallory the other week in the Pre-93 Touring Cars, dunno if it has any history but it looked a pucker job. He is out again with me at Oulton on the 21st June I will see if I can find out anything.

I also remember racing against both a white and a red one back in the 90's the white one may be the car I mentioned earlier in Modified Production Saloons as I am sure I asked the owner this before and one if not both were definitely ex-works cars. I think it may have been entered by Scot ex-BTCC privateer Hamish Irvine but I may have my lines crossed as it was some time ago. I will ask the current owner of the white car and post back or get him to.
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Old 13 Jun 2008, 08:13 (Ref:2227545)   #5
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thanks folks, any leads greatly appreciated. I have a stash of real GpA race spares , so want to find out if any remain, apart for the one car still running here.
I speak with Bates motorsport occassionally as we both look after a lot of Toyota race cars. They dont seem to have any interest in history, totally preoccuopied with current rally issues.
I've also contacted TRD and TOMS without any luck--same story really
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I will sound out the owner of the one I am racing against next Saturday 21st June at the meeting and see if he has any info as he seems knowledgable when I last spoke with him, lovely car incidently probably my favourite car on the grid and a lot bigger in real life than it looks in pictures I will also grab some pickies and post them.

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thanks for that. I have done a Google search on the driver/series names and got nowhere. there are lots of references to Divinol cup, but seems to be much later. what historical info I did find, has nothing relating to Supras in early 90's.
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I have coresponded with Hugh Marshall who drove one of the Thundersaloon Supras. he says both of them were built by Specfab, so neither may be ex works cars. The other (Cosworth powered) car was driven by Chris Hodgetts. The shell of one of them may survive.
anyone else have any more info yet??
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That suggests they were definitely the ex-MIL/Toyota GB Supras, as Specfab were involved with these- they apparently did quite a few BTCC projects, including the CHMS Corollas

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Specfab have confirmed they built 2 cars and 1 survives. it does not look like we are any closer to the bermani ex works cars.
who/what was M.I.L.????
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Specfab have confirmed they built 2 cars and 1 survives. it does not look like we are any closer to the bermani ex works cars.
who/what was M.I.L.????
MIL Motorsport ran the BTCC Supra programme- I don't know how much you know about the BTCC Supra Turbo project, I seem to recall it being discussed in another thread a while back, but as a quick recap (Apologies if you already know this bit)

2 car team, (possibly with plans for a third?), backed by Shell and Toyota GB. Drivers were initially Chris Hodgetts and Vic Lee (Lee's car had additional backing from Mulcahy & Hirst- think they were a construction company).

Hodgetts jumped ship mid to late season and returned to his former team Brooklyn Motorsport with an RS500, and was replaced by Mark Hales and Ian Flux. A Corolla also appeared occasionally for John Lllewellyn.

Curiously, one of the Supras also had an outing as a rally car for Toyota GB-backed driver Graham Middleton on the Manx International, around Aug/Sept '88, replacing his regular Corolla

I won't swear to this but I think MIL was either a new outfit, or a restructuring and renaming of an existing one- I don't recall them in the BTCC either before or after 1988, but I'd have to wade through some 1988 Autosports to be sure.

The other name I recall being associated with the project is regular Hodgetts team-mate/co-driver Alex Moss- the MIL Supra was on the entry list for the Donington ETCC round in 88 for Moss and South African ex-F2 and BTCC driver Rad Dougall, but didn't show up
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...and Moss shared the MIL Corolla with Llewellyn at the TT.
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OK,,, thanks. thats a bit clearer, but still no closer to finding the works cars. I have reason to beleive 7 were built. I have the remnants of 1 that was crushed here to avoid duties. it was the ex Spa 1988 car and was in very poor condition.
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The Toyota at Oulton I raced against yesterday (we had a great battle by the way but he pipped me in the end when I made a couple of errors) was not one of the works cars but a modified ex road car LHD imported from the US, went well though!
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OK,,, thanks. thats a bit clearer, but still no closer to finding the works cars. I have reason to beleive 7 were built. I have the remnants of 1 that was crushed here to avoid duties. it was the ex Spa 1988 car and was in very poor condition.
Now thats interesting- I've seen a reference to 7 works cars in the last few days on the web but can't recall where- the site had pics of the John Smith car as I recall...

By works cars, presumably we're talking about cars built by TOM'S in Japan, rather than cars built outside Japan- Did any of the European cars (think there were something like 6 active in Europe during 1988, 2 from each of
MIL in the BTCC, Bemani in the DTM and ETCC and RAS Sport at Spa) come from TOM'S? I dont think we saw a TOM'S entered works Supra until Spa 1989
http://www.racingsportscars.com/etcc...-07-23-036.jpg
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Nice collection of Supra pics, including TOM'S, SARD, RAS Sport, Bemani and Australian cars: http://www.supra-garage.de/rennsport.htm
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Hewland told me they made 9 special gearboxes to order from Toyota. 7 for cars being built plus 2 complete for spares. These are a magnesium cased, close ratio dog box. I have one of these. When I was speaking with John Smith at some stage, he mentioned 7 cars in total.
I beleive all the works cars were made in japan. I dont have confirmation if it was TOMS or TRD, but I suspect TOMS.
I've written to Bemani & TOMS, so I guess, I'll keep hunting
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