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Old 7 Aug 2012, 20:42 (Ref:3117271)   #1
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Threat to Wimbledon Stock Car Stadium?

Just heard the news that Wimbledon AFC would like to acquire the Greyhound/stock car stadium as their new home.

Would be a real shame to loose the stock car track.

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Old 8 Aug 2012, 00:00 (Ref:3117357)   #2
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I remember signing a petition not so long ago that was to stop Wimbledon Stadium dying because of the low emission laws stopping the Banger boys turning up with their old lorries.

Looking at this new threat, I am starting to resign myself that the track is getting shut, one way or another.
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Old 8 Aug 2012, 01:00 (Ref:3117363)   #3
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Would be a shame, but there was talk of Arena Essex disappearing because of the Olympics, but the track has survived.

I expect it all depends the state of ground hound racing, and the finances of the football club.

But its sickening there was a football pitch by the traffic lights, and it got sold and built on.

How many football pitches does London need? This is the last remaining stock car track in London.
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Old 8 Aug 2012, 14:54 (Ref:3117610)   #4
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I'm sure I heard on LBC a few months back that a plan was going to be submitted (or actually submitted) to build 800 flats on the site. If they sell for 180-200k a pop think how much money can be made from that. I don't know how the GRA's business model works but I'm assuming the stock cars is just a handy top-up to the greyhounds, which in itself seems to be a dying pastime. Selling the site to developers could make a few people exceedingly rich, especially if they view greyhound racing's days as numbered. I went there for the first time last November (stock cars not greyhounds) and really enjoyed it (except for the shockingly overpriced/poor food).
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Old 9 Aug 2012, 06:27 (Ref:3117818)   #5
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and sadly, I think that is true of any stock car track. Arena Essex did swerve a compulsory purchase order a couple of years ago to turn it into a leisure park. My fear is that stock car racing simply doesn't bring the gate that it used to and, to be honest, even if you make all the drivers pay to race, the bottom line still would not be as good as you would get from re-development. And no. London does not need another football stadium. The whole f***ing world does not need another football stadium!
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Old 9 Aug 2012, 08:49 (Ref:3117858)   #6
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Without doubt we don't need any more football stadiums!

I have been going to Wimbledon since I was a kid, now 45ish and still a kid

I'm afraid the writing has been on the wall for some years, I know work has been done to tart it up but it is still an old structure with timber terraces etc. TBH i'm surprised it has survived this long given modern H&S bureaucracy and fairly low crowds. As Kelvin and many others did I also signed the on-line petition a while back.

I would have thought it would be cheaper for a football club to spend their money on developing a bare site rather than include the cost of demolishing most if not all of the existing stadium into the project.

On a positive note there is a new Aldershot stadium (I havn't been there yet) and stock car racing crowds seems to be growing again, so although I will miss Wimbledon when it finally goes to developers or football clubs whoever, I think/hope the racing will continue for long after.
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Old 9 Aug 2012, 13:14 (Ref:3117943)   #7
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Winkle, I lived within earshot of the original Aldershot stadium as a wee lad but never actually attended any meetings. The A331 Blackwater Relief Road was built through the site in early 93ish and I think any remaining trace of it was removed for housing around '99/00.

The new Aldershot Raceway is definitely a positive story for stock car racing in the UK. I visit a few times each year and had my first chance to race at the track in June in a Legend. The one thing that stands out is the number of paying spectators that are in attendance each meeting. 4000 people watched the first meeting there and each time I've been the crowd could definitely be measured in 3 figures, perhaps 4 on occasions. The events are also heavily promoted on 96.4 Eagle the week beforehand with ads outlining the specific classes racing on that weekend. I've been to a few other tracks where you know that everyone watching is related in one way or another to the competitors but Aldershot does seem to get a regular paying audience through the gate. Spedeworth have put in time with the facilities with the addition of a grass covered bank and covered stand (possibly rescued from the old Bovingdon track).
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Old 9 Aug 2012, 18:22 (Ref:3118026)   #8
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I am always impressed how well Arlington does for gate when you consider it races on a Wednesday night!
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Old 9 Aug 2012, 21:00 (Ref:3118086)   #9
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I think the real issue lies with the way the sport is promoted, the stadium owners and operators do themselves no favours by being so incredibly insular, and political. Wimbo should be full most race nights but its far from it. Oval racing has simply not kept up with the times - its a 1980's sport in the 2010's, indeed instead of modernising the ORC members have just squabbled. Oval racing seems like an end of the pier entertainment from the Carry-On film era, and looks as dated. It could be so so much more than it is but unless someone with real vision and a little bit of budget takes over the NHRPA, BRISCA and Spedeworth the sport will slowly die.

I was talking earlier with a major car manufacturer about racing, and they looked at the Velodrome events in the Olympics, especially the points race and pursuit and said "wouldn't that be fun indoors with Electric cars?" hard to disagree.

Kelvin knows my thoughts on this only too well but, hell if I won one of those mega jackpots in the lottery I'd buy as many oval tracks and series as possible, and within 3 years I'm certain I could double my money by just updating the whole thing and putting a bit of attention to detail into the branding, marketing and business model. I know how lucrative the sport is and also how many opportunities have been missed.
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Old 10 Aug 2012, 08:59 (Ref:3118259)   #10
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ss_collins, I agree that the sport could be promoted better and maybe given what danieljboys said about the new Aldershot, then that is starting to happen?

Regardless of the car manufacturers, If the future is electric racing in a velodrome then that's easy for me to disagree. No thanks!

I'm not so sure about "end of the pier entertainment" either. A modern national hot rod and particularly the silhouette/intermarque evolution of them are a force to be reckoned with on any circuit and entertaining to watch. I know i'm going off topic because silhouette/intermarques are not short oval.

As you say maybe it is purely down to branding and marketing. BRISCA F1 has had a lot of TV exposure in the past couple of years, has the popularity of it and attendance increased? That's a genuine question, I don't know.

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http://www.yourlocalguardian.co.uk/n...in_Wimbledon_/

The lastest news is not looking too positive for this grand old lady of Motorsport
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Old 20 Dec 2015, 01:41 (Ref:3598887)   #12
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With Planning permission now granted for Houses and a Football Stadium, the danger if very very real to the last Venue of its kind in London. Wimbledon Stadium.

I even saw one comment where the Stadium could be demolished as soon a April 2016. If true it means we are alredy into the Stadiums last half season.

So far it seems that the Football Crowd have been shouting the loudest, and on the whole the media a have totally ignored the long history of Short Circuit Racing at the venue.

Thankfully it seems one newpaper editor has at least recognised the plight of London`s last Permanent Motorsport Venue.

From that a petition has been started, the first evening it picked up 2000 signatures

Hope I'm allowed to post the link here?

https://www.change.org/p/boris-johns...cing-in-london

Even if you are just a casual fan, please sign. Lets at least show the world how much motorsport in general means to us, and how valued venues such as this are.

And it will be a great loss to loose The Last of Her Kind to housing and a football pitch.
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I remember watching Paul Warwick there.................happy days
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ss collins it is rare I agree with you on anything but you have hit the nail on the head there.

Short oval racing is beset with insular politics and unjoined thinking, and if you try to tell them or expose their policies you are accused of ruining the sport or trolling as I have been for years now while exposing their garbage attitude.

One example, apparently BriSCA were invited to be at the Speedweek at Brands early doors but declined, why? Because Brisca do not promote any events near there and they would rather spend PR money wasting their time at the NEC every year to gladrag with suppliers! There are tracks near there, Arena, Ipswich, Wimbledon. It's just current BriSCA policy to keep within their group and keep the money to themselves. It might not do anything being at Brands, you can't really race, but it's an American themed weekend, NASCAR race there, most BriSCA drivers love NASCAR and buy their parts in America, see where I am going. Apparently BriSCA looked and decided against it, that is the type of thinking that is running my favourite sport!

Coventry stadium is also closing soon and their promoter spends all his time yabbering on about the Motofest thing they do there in the town centre, while he has 6 or 7 dates a year that instead of pushing to other venues on a Saturday night to try and increase their footprint will be sold to his favourite mates in the sport for their dates!

Wimbledon was never going to carry on with the emissions regs, it's why the big banger race was moved to Ipswich. The sad part is AFC have already ruined and taken over Kinsgtonians ground, and could have had the old Plough Lane a few years ago. And the even bigger irony is the MK Dons situation, it wasn't good enough for them years ago and now they want to come back as a shadow of themselves!

Problem is to local councils, you mention the word "houses" right now and you could build on a graveyard! That is how much of a timebomb housing is in London areas.

Crowds have not really increased winkle, Gears and Tears garnered interest on and off track, but BriSCA is now behind a paywall on Premier. And the laughable part of that is BriSCA pay nothing for it, it has to pay for itself and they will never put anything into it. It is this kind of insular, backward and actually destructive decision making that is causing a sport that could be very popular if pushed right, to just amble along making a small amount of poeple a living thanks very much.
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What saddens me about this is that Wimbledon football fans had their sport taken away from them by owners who didn't care anything for the history of their club. Now AFC Wimbledon (a fan owned club) are doing just the same to stock car fans who have had Wimbo as their home for decades.

Surely there must be a market for stock car racing in Britain's capital city and in the country that is supposed to be the motorsport capital of the world?
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