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Old 5 Jul 2013, 15:50 (Ref:3274321)   #1
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2014 LMP1 engines

The new regs allow for just about any engine provided it can get around the lap without running out of gas, so what do we actually know about who is running what next year?

Rebellion: continuing with Toyota 3.4l n/a V8 petrol (I think this is confirmed)
Toyota: petrol + hybrid system
Porsche: probably a small (2l?) turbo 4 cylinder petrol, + hybrid system
Audi: diesel V6? + hybrid system
Strakka: continuing with Honda 3.4l n/a petrol V8?

Any others?

Also, the rule preventing front wheel hybrid use below 120kph is being dropped which might encourage a move to 4 wheel drive for traction and weight distribution reasons. Audi will continue with their 'quattro' system. I wonder if Porsche will go 4wd?
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 16:12 (Ref:3274331)   #2
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Honda will use a small direct injected turbocharged V6 derived from Indycar engine.
http://www.racer.com/exclusive-hpd-p...rticle/300655/
http://tentenths.com/forum/showthrea...02029&page=182
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 16:18 (Ref:3274337)   #3
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...unless Strakka are allowed (and willing) to grandfather their current car.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 17:30 (Ref:3274357)   #4
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Good to see some variety though.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 18:15 (Ref:3274378)   #5
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Out of curiosity, we used LapSim to analyze the implications of the new 2014 Regulations for Le Mans. Will there still be a race? What kind of power plants are there to expect? Will the ACO achieve what they aim for? You will find the answers in the attached article, published in the february issue of Racecar Engineering.
http://www.lapsim.nl/assets/pdf/Arti...014-LapSim.pdf

2.8L V6T and 4.0L V8 are compared.
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Old 7 Jul 2013, 17:04 (Ref:3274945)   #6
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I always wonder why the Mazda/AER engine is never mentioned when discussing LMP1 engines, I'd think it's a pretty good option for a privateer? Not knowing how well it works with the new regulations of course.
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Old 7 Jul 2013, 17:32 (Ref:3274957)   #7
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I like Dyson racing and have for years, but seriously, would you trust them to build an engine for your team?
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I like Dyson racing and have for years, but seriously, would you trust them to build an engine for your team?
I know Dyson runs them but i thought they were built by AER?
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Dyson owns AER ... and the engines haven't been bad since they strengthened the block for last season, but the team in general ... has sort of slipped.
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Old 7 Jul 2013, 18:33 (Ref:3274976)   #10
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Oh sorry, wasn't aware of that. For example though, if I was Dome at Le Mans last year, I would've picked the Mazda option before the shake-to-bits Judd.
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Oh sorry, wasn't aware of that. For example though, if I was Dome at Le Mans last year, I would've picked the Mazda option before the shake-to-bits Judd.
Well, if you believe Judd's side of the story, they weren't the problem.
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Well, if you believe Judd's side of the story, they weren't the problem.
Of course there's two sides to those sorts of things and I don't have half the knowledge as most people here (which is why I love this forum) so I won't argue with you.

Really I just wanted to know if I had missed something obvious since the Mazda engine is so seldom mentioned.
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Very interesting. Thanks for posting that. Next year will be a school year!
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Of course there's two sides to those sorts of things and I don't have half the knowledge as most people here (which is why I love this forum) so I won't argue with you.

Really I just wanted to know if I had missed something obvious since the Mazda engine is so seldom mentioned.
The great thing about this forum is that (90% of the time) we debate, we don't argue!

But you're right, we don't know for sure. However, while the Judd engine was no world beater and indeed it's kind of died a death in P1, Judd have produced decent engines in top-level prototypes since for many years now. On top of that, the DOME had a Judd stuck in the back of it before. I'm pretty confident that a fully functioning Pescarolo team, without living on the brink of bankruptcy and with more time to develop the car, could have got that package to be something capable of finishing the race.

Good point though, the Mazda engine is often forgotten, but I think it's overlooked by most privateers, and with good reason. It's not particularly reliable or powerful. At the end of this rules cycle, we've been left with no decent powertrain options for privateers, and that's why we have so few of them.

Let's hope things change for 2014.
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The great thing about this forum is that (90% of the time) we debate, we don't argue!

But you're right, we don't know for sure. However, while the Judd engine was no world beater and indeed it's kind of died a death in P1, Judd have produced decent engines in top-level prototypes since for many years now. On top of that, the DOME had a Judd stuck in the back of it before. I'm pretty confident that a fully functioning Pescarolo team, without living on the brink of bankruptcy and with more time to develop the car, could have got that package to be something capable of finishing the race.

Good point though, the Mazda engine is often forgotten, but I think it's overlooked by most privateers, and with good reason. It's not particularly reliable or powerful. At the end of this rules cycle, we've been left with no decent powertrain options for privateers, and that's why we have so few of them.

Let's hope things change for 2014.
Well, I wouldn't necessarily suggest that HPD is anything less than decent. It's fast and reliable... that's all you need for endurance lasting 6 hours or more. Of course, only one team is using it this year in the WEC (Strakka), but they've held their own against the Rebellion cars. Plus, next year, things will change...
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