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Old 21 Sep 2015, 07:53 (Ref:3575624)   #1
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VW Group facing billion $ fines and criminal charges in US

'Volkswagen AG’s admission that it cheated to make nearly half a million diesel cars appear cleaner-burning than they are leaves the automaker facing billions in fines, its executives risking criminal charges and its U.S. expansion plans in peril.'

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Old 21 Sep 2015, 10:53 (Ref:3575662)   #2
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I just saw this on my local morning news. Not a good look.
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Old 21 Sep 2015, 11:31 (Ref:3575679)   #3
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What the options for VW?
Buy back?
Recall?
Trade in on - Electric or Hybrid etc?

My guess is the addition of an ad-blue system like the larger diesels might be necessary.
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Old 21 Sep 2015, 12:38 (Ref:3575702)   #4
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The first 'option' is a $37,500 fine for every vehicle sold that broke the rules. They have already stopped sales of 4 cylinder diesels pending the outcome of this action and their share price is down 20% today. Ugly scenes.
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the class action lawsuits have started.

not looking good at all!

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The investigation has spread to Asia. South Korea are looking into it and saying if the results are bad they will check other German makes.

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But people in the know have known these silly loopholes for years so why does it take America to shout first ? things like pumping air into the exhaust to dilute the gasses and DPFs that just simply collect "soot" and chuck it out "up the road" have been going on for a long time !
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putting the conspiracy hat on... something to do with discrediting diesel in the mind of the public given its not the most environmentally friendly of fuels and we all still seem to lap it up, to increase demand in petrol to bring the prices back up?

to divide up the vw/seat/audi empire?

any other wild, totally implausible theories?
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putting the conspiracy hat on... something to do with discrediting diesel in the mind of the public given its not the most environmentally friendly of fuels and we all still seem to lap it up, to increase demand in petrol to bring the prices back up?

to divide up the vw/seat/audi empire?

any other wild, totally implausible theories?

I believe the EU/US Trade treaty negotiations are proving challenging. Perhaps a good time to lob in an Exocet.

Having stopped QE the Americans might welcome a nice external input of compo cash now the BP rape and non-US banking fines seem to be slowing down. Plenty of car manufacturers to go for to keep that game rolling.

There are lots of ways this sort of game could be played out.
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And of course the Yank Tanks up to not so many years ago didn't pollute the atmosphere at all ! Obviously the tree huggers are going to love this
A couple of years back I took a Golf for an MOT and we couldn't sort out the high emissions, after a lot of aggro it was sorted by putting a new speed sensor in it !

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Yup, all our fault, like everything else in the world today.

The worst thing about our regulations is that the eliminate the good stuff from overseas.

Volkswagen AG Chief Executive Officer Martin Winterkorn has resigned.
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Yup, all our fault, like everything else in the world today.
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Have to wonder how the damage done by VW compares to Mobil's efforts with the Exxon Valdez and its result:

"Exxon appealed again. On May 23, 2007, the 9th Circuit Court of Appeals denied ExxonMobil's request for a third hearing and let stand its ruling that Exxon owes $2.5 billion in punitive damages. Exxon then appealed to the Supreme Court, which agreed to hear the case........ In a decision issued June 25, 2008, Justice David Souter issued the judgment of the court, vacating the $2.5 billion award and remanding the case back to a lower court, finding that the damages were excessive with respect to maritime common law[/COLOR][/URL]. Exxon's actions were deemed "worse than negligent but less than maliciousThe punitive damages were further reduced to an amount of $507.5 million
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Montara oil rig DISASTER!

"In 2012, PTTEP Australasia pleaded guilty to charges under the Offshore Petroleum and Greenhouse Gas Storage Act and was fined $510,000"

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Montara_oil_spill

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Have to wonder how the damage done by VW compares to Mobil's efforts with the Exxon Valdez and its result:
It is an interesting parallel to draw, but I think it is completely different.

The above cases were "accidents". Sure there was negligence and all of that, but the companies can argue that the end result was not intended.

VW fully intended to cheat the system. It is not a blurred line at all, it is a well defined test that they intentionally built a cheat device to get around.

Further, the penalties are apparently very clearly spelt out in the legislation (from what I have read). Again, no blurred lines, if you break the rules you are liable for a fine up to (I can't remember the exact figure but around) US$38,600 / vehicle.

In some ways it pales in comparison to the value lost by VW in recent days. Stock down 35%, some 28 billion Euro. It appears to be recovering since the resignation of Winterkorn, but still a very serious situation. The stocks have declined more than the total value of both Renault and Peugeot

It has been suggested before, but a HUGE marketing programme is going to be required to push VW (Audi and Skoda) back into positive ground. I don't think entering F1 would be as stupid an idea as it sounds (on the face of it).
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