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Old 30 Nov 2015, 14:39 (Ref:3594494)   #16
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I've said it before. DTM is missing rounds in UK, France, Italy, Spain and Belgium, which are the 2nd-6th largest car sales markets in Europe. They should visit Spa-Francorchamps, Donington Park, Le Mans and Mugello, for example.

Also, there should be an ADAC 300km Nordschleife Masters, featuring DTM, Super GT and Carrera Cup, with two drivers per car.
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 16:03 (Ref:3594503)   #17
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You might want to look up the meaning of the 'D' in DTM
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 18:00 (Ref:3594518)   #18
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I've said it before. DTM is missing rounds in UK, France, Italy, Spain and Belgium, which are the 2nd-6th largest car sales markets in Europe. They should visit Spa-Francorchamps, Donington Park, Le Mans and Mugello, for example.

Also, there should be an ADAC 300km Nordschleife Masters, featuring DTM, Super GT and Carrera Cup, with two drivers per car.
I don't think Spa is needed, Belgium has got to be a very small market share.
While I would love a race at Donington, I don't think a British race is needed either - nothing to do with market share size for the manufacturers, more to do with DTM having such a small portion of the 'British racing fan market'.
France and Italy are similar size markets to the UK, but I don't see why a round in Italy would be especially beneficial.
France? Yeah, why not, I'd go for that. Not sure Le Mans is the right place though.

Market is pretty small in Czech Republic, but I'd still like a Brno round!

Having said all that, Bramzel is ultimately right about the 'D' in DTM.
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Old 30 Nov 2015, 20:03 (Ref:3594551)   #19
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Old 1 Dec 2015, 22:35 (Ref:3594881)   #20
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Belgium has got to be a very small market share.
550,000 new cars per year.
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Old 2 Dec 2015, 17:22 (Ref:3595006)   #21
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550,000 new cars per year.
Exactly, only half a million.
According to the European Vehicle Marketing Statistics (admittedly the 2011 edition), that's around a quarter of Italy even, never mind the UK, France, and Germany.

That's why no race is necessary in Belgium.
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Old 4 Dec 2015, 20:05 (Ref:3595548)   #22
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Timo Glock, Martin Tomczyk, Bruno Spengler, Marco Wittmann, Maxime Martin, Antonio Felix da Costa, Augusto Farfus and Tom Blomqvist will drive for BMW
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Old 15 Dec 2015, 14:21 (Ref:3597957)   #23
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Juncadella confirms he has a contract for DTM in 2016 with Merc but doesn't know with which team he will race.

Kind of feel that Ocon will take over the Petronas Mucke Mercedes.
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Old 24 Dec 2015, 12:46 (Ref:3599963)   #24
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Wehrlein is likely to stay in the DTM.
http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/122334
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Old 31 Dec 2015, 15:55 (Ref:3601203)   #25
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Ocon has been quoted as saying he'd rather do DTM than GP2, which is interesting in a number of ways.
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Old 1 Jan 2016, 16:40 (Ref:3601448)   #26
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Ocon has been quoted as saying he'd rather do DTM than GP2, which is interesting in a number of ways.
He's been saying that for a little while now, ever since the Manor-Mercedes deal was announced and it looked like Wehrlein would switch to F1.
Now it looks like Wehrlein is sticking around in the DTM, who would Ocon replace?
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He's been saying that for a little while now, ever since the Manor-Mercedes deal was announced and it looked like Wehrlein would switch to F1.
Now it looks like Wehrlein is sticking around in the DTM, who would Ocon replace?


Lucas Auer, as Ocon is now a flully fledged Mercedes F1 driver he should get priority imo.

It is a bit harsh for Auer, but i would choose Ocon anytime.
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According to Ocon , the Mercedes decision may drag until mid-february.
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Honestly, would it be better if ITR close DTM for good a make an open-wheel racing series for those big 3 German manufacturers to groom their drivers.
I don't think a touring cars serie will ever become really popular with the general audience, imo a open wheel serie (a la Super formula/formula nippon) has a much bigger chance of becoming popular. So you might be onto something here.


A bit more radical idea from my side to increase viewership & 'popularity' would be to have the races during the evening. I don't know about you guys, but myself and my friends who have an interest in motorracing will not stay at home during saturday or sunday afternoon to watch DTM on the tv. However if it's on during the evening then i am likely to watch it. (This can also be seen with tv ratings for F1 GP's in canada or Brasil, the ratings for these gp's are generally a bit better in the Netherlands compared to others since it's starts on sundayevening).

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I've said it before. DTM is missing rounds in UK, France, Italy, Spain and Belgium, which are the 2nd-6th largest car sales markets in Europe. They should visit Spa-Francorchamps, Donington Park, Le Mans and Mugello, for example.
I would imagine that Belgium is quite similar to the Netherlands or Austria, so i don't think the OEM's would gain much by dropping one of these races for a race in Belgium.

Dropping Zandvoort, Austria and 1 of the 2 Hockenheimring races for races in the UK, France, Spain and italy would make sense imo. In addition, it should be fairly easy to get tv coverage on a network in these countries if the local branches commit some of their advertising budget to commercials during those broadcasts (Mercedes and BMW spend combined over GBP 50 million on advertising in the UK alone in 2013).
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I don't think a touring cars serie will ever become really popular with the general audience, imo a open wheel serie (a la Super formula/formula nippon) has a much bigger chance of becoming popular. So you might be onto something here.
Totally disagree. Tin-tops have been the kings of European national racing since forever. I can't think of a single national open wheel series that ever became more than just a feeder to F1.

Now, DTM are pretty bad as far as tin-tops are concerned, but I see absolutely no chance for a successful switch to formula-style cars. (Not the least because of how big Audi and BMW seem to be on road-relevance).
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