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Old 29 Apr 2016, 15:01 (Ref:3637123)   #61
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so these google cars....are the cameras on top just for diagnostic purposes or do they form part of the self driving technology?
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Old 29 Apr 2016, 17:12 (Ref:3637160)   #62
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Had not realised they had 1.5M km on Google self drive cars.

Still, first crash. Looks pretty basic.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZFndKRwZ6MI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I9T6LkNm-5w
It must have had the Asian or African cab driver program running, pull out then indicate, expect everyone to stop for you. Bus driver was trained in London, don't stop or give way to anything.
Nothing new then.

I how you exchange insurance details with a driverless car when you have a coming together, do you stick a note under the wipers?
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Old 1 Jul 2016, 04:32 (Ref:3656054)   #63
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Tesla autonomous car fatality.

https://www.teslamotors.com/blog/tragic-loss
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Old 1 Jul 2016, 05:22 (Ref:3656057)   #64
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Driver reportedly watching Harry Potter when he was killed.

http://www.news.com.au/technology/in...a5eaf25436b6a5
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Old 1 Jul 2016, 08:17 (Ref:3656081)   #65
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I picked that up, too, WNUT.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...ile-in-autopi/

Seems those of us with serious reservations were not too far wrong...
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Old 5 Jul 2016, 18:22 (Ref:3657120)   #66
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Just what I alluded to in an earlier post - the technology, in my opinion, just isn't good enough yet. I see that the spokesperson from Tesla attempts to mitigate the situation by saying that neither the car nor the driver saw the white truck.

Well, we know for sure the car didn't see it, but how exactly do they know the driver didn't see it? He's dead, so we can't ask him can we? It's entirely possible he either saw it too late to act, because he wasn't paying full attention to the road as he believed all the hype that these cars are incapable of error, or, he simply never saw it at all, for the same reason. Had he been actually driving the car, I'm sure he'd have seen it.

I find it hard to believe that a human driver (at any level above moron) would not see a white semi pulling across their path. That's not necessarily saying the outcome would ultimately be any different, but at least a driver would brake/swerve to attempt to minimise the impact, and not simply carry on into it at full speed as it appears the Tesla did.

I saw some figures somewhere that said this was the first fatality in something like 120 million miles of autonomous driving, compared to a fatality every 90 million or so (in the USA) for humans driving. Not a fantastic improvement really is it? Especially not when you consider that the figure for humans takes account of every crap driver we all see out there on a daily basis - if you're actually a decent, skilled driver, then you can reasonably expect to beat the figure for humans by a considerable factor. I'd guess the figure for deaths amongst highly skilled drivers is somewhere between 500 million and a billion miles per death. Only a guess, of course, and I doubt such a statistic exists, but we can all agree that the figure amongst highly skilled drivers is going to be much higher than the figure for all drivers, and the figure for autonomous.
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Old 6 Jul 2016, 15:41 (Ref:3657283)   #67
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for sure there will be more of these accidents as the tech evolves.

that said though, as there are more cars on the road with this tech i would expect there to be an decrease in accidents and mortality rates (perhaps even a an exponential decrease)...so the question for me isnt 'why did the tesla driver fail to see the other vehicle?' rather it is 'would this accident/fatality have been avoidable if the other vehicle (or both vehicles) had an autopilot system and/or an ability for both cars to communicate with each other?'

most definitely agree though that these systems have a long way to go and part of me questions why so much of this development is happening on public roadways with each company working on their own parallel and possibly non complimentary systems. there is too much of a rush to get a finished product to market here and that is in itself a very dangerous thing.
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To represent this as a self driving or autonomous car fatality is totally inaccurate. According to news reports the car had a beta version of software designed to work in a motorway type environment to allow the car to adjust it's speed and change lanes, this is a much more limited amount of "autonomy" than a self driving car has. The software in question was a beta test version and only used by those who opted to do so and was supposed to be supervised by the driver with his hands on the wheel and his eyes on the road at all times.

Of course sooner or later there will be a fatality involving a self driving car, that is not really the issue, the question is whether they turn out to be safer than the human driven variety, at the current state of the art maybe maybe not but in time they certainly will be.
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To represent this as a self driving or autonomous car fatality is totally inaccurate....
lol true true and good point.

im reminded of stories back when GPS systems first became available and people blindly following their GPS screen into obviously visible disasters.

no doubt, in the short term there will be and uptick in accidents as drivers wrap their heads around the fact that adaptive cruise control, lane departure, and brake assist are not synonyms for 'self-driving car'.
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To represent this as a self driving or autonomous car fatality is totally inaccurate. According to news reports the car had a beta version of software designed to work in a motorway type environment to allow the car to adjust it's speed and change lanes, this is a much more limited amount of "autonomy" than a self driving car has. The software in question was a beta test version and only used by those who opted to do so and was supposed to be supervised by the driver with his hands on the wheel and his eyes on the road at all times.

Of course sooner or later there will be a fatality involving a self driving car, that is not really the issue, the question is whether they turn out to be safer than the human driven variety, at the current state of the art maybe maybe not but in time they certainly will be.
To add to this, it has been said that the amount of miles covered by Teslas self-driving system is over double what humans cover between accidents.
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To add to this, it has been said that the amount of miles covered by Teslas self-driving system is over double what humans cover between accidents.
Yup, and 77.8625% of all statistics are made up!
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Yup, and 77.8625% of all statistics are made up!
Lies, damn lies...and Statistics!
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