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Old 1 Oct 2016, 14:07 (Ref:3676255)   #16
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The new Micra looks good. Previous one was too "girly".

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Every bodywork piece of the new Civic is tremendously horrible to me.
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Old 5 Oct 2016, 17:18 (Ref:3677564)   #17
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Now that's a proper B-segment car.
I can think of many words beginning with B that would describe it. . . beautiful certainly isn't one of them!

What an ugly B!
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Old 31 Oct 2016, 09:10 (Ref:3684218)   #18
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Aren't most modern cars? apart from Alfa's, and that's coming from a Porsche fan
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Old 31 Oct 2016, 09:57 (Ref:3684229)   #19
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IMO brands like Renault, Peugeot and Skoda have nice looking cars.
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I thought the Megane was considered a mid-sized car?
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The Mťgane is a C-segment, or as British press calls them, "small family car".
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I really don't buy the contempt for most modern cars- having had the misfortune of driving utter crap from 60s-eg Viva HA; 70s- eg Allegro ; 80s eg Nissan Bluebird and 90s eg Peugeot 106D most modern cars are far , far more capable, more safe in a shunt and much better on mpg. Nobody loves the look of an Elan, an early 911 or a 275gtb more than I do but let's just remember the hideous rubbish foisted on the car buying public in the past .....
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I really don't buy the contempt for most modern cars- having had the misfortune of driving utter crap from 60s-eg Viva HA; 70s- eg Allegro ; 80s eg Nissan Bluebird and 90s eg Peugeot 106D most modern cars are far , far more capable, more safe in a shunt and much better on mpg. Nobody loves the look of an Elan, an early 911 or a 275gtb more than I do but let's just remember the hideous rubbish foisted on the car buying public in the past .....
"Grey Porridge". Conveyances to get you from A to B, and that's about it. Sometimes you didn't even get to B.

Couldn't agree more. My first car was a '66 Viva HA SL and I recall having to check the oil and water every week, and adjust the brakes every month. I check the oil in my present car every 5k miles, just out of interest because it never needs a top-up. Cars today are incredibly efficient in every way (unless you work for Greenpeace).

That Fiesta is a small family hatchback, but looks the same size as a Cortina from the '60s. Such is the price of gadgets and safety installations.
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Old 6 Dec 2016, 11:39 (Ref:3694139)   #26
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True - but it is probably faster than a Cooper S , GT6 , TR4 , and possibly Sunbeam Tiger or MGC , grips better and uses a third the fuel. Like yourself , unless you have actually driven the awful garbage of back in the day it's difficult to comprehend how ghastly they were . Had to smile at a recent Pistonheads thread where perfectly fit for purpose cars like Astras were described as appallingly bad, dangerously slow and plagued by huge understeer - try an Austin Cambridge Estate with a tired B series and running on remoulds and I will show you bad my friend .....
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I really don't buy the contempt for most modern cars- having had the misfortune of driving utter crap from 60s-eg Viva HA; 70s- eg Allegro ; 80s eg Nissan Bluebird and 90s eg Peugeot 106D most modern cars are far , far more capable, more safe in a shunt and much better on mpg. Nobody loves the look of an Elan, an early 911 or a 275gtb more than I do but let's just remember the hideous rubbish foisted on the car buying public in the past .....
a valid point but how much did you have to pay for those cars?

using that ford fiesta as an example...this car new in Canada starts at about CAN$20k(including taxes)....a person working full time in Canada (40 hours a week) at our minimum wage (between $10-11/hour) only makes 21K a year before they pay income taxes...and the fiesta is one of the cheaper entry level options.

i cant imagine any of the cars you drove back then ate up that much of your salary.

anyways, at todays prices (and relative to current average incomes) and especially for those looking at entry level vehicles in the small or family car segment these cars do not meet any sort of definition of value imo.

and they are ugly to boot!
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I don't care how much better modern cars are. They're ugly. Gimme any 80's sled over anything modern.
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The 80s were probably the nadir of car styling- whilst I was fond of my Golf GTis looks -and the 205 was easy on the eye too - there was a plethora of horrors -Escort (especially in all white Turbo form) , Granada, Acclaim ,Metro, Ital , Starion , TR7 etc.Or the ghastly Mondiale and Testa Rossa further up market.

Re prices- cars are far cheaper now than at any time in history- it's why there are so many of the damn things.1959 Mini cost £497 and had no equipment worth beans , not even a heater . Now equivalent of £10 500 , two grand more than a host of small, well equipped and safe cars from Hyundai, Skoda etc . And because modern cars don't fall in bits and rust away after 2 years, buying a 4 or 5 year old car now means years of trouble free driving for pennies
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The 80s were probably the nadir of car styling- whilst I was fond of my Golf GTis looks -and the 205 was easy on the eye too - there was a plethora of horrors -Escort (especially in all white Turbo form) , Granada, Acclaim ,Metro, Ital , Starion , TR7 etc.Or the ghastly Mondiale and Testa Rossa further up market.

Re prices- cars are far cheaper now than at any time in history- it's why there are so many of the damn things.1959 Mini cost £497 and had no equipment worth beans , not even a heater . Now equivalent of £10 500 , two grand more than a host of small, well equipped and safe cars from Hyundai, Skoda etc . And because modern cars don't fall in bits and rust away after 2 years, buying a 4 or 5 year old car now means years of trouble free driving for pennies
All better looking than current cars, bar the TR7 and Mondial.

Current cars are too melted looking with too many curves and slashes in the bodywork. 80's cars were clean. Plus, you could actually see out of them.
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