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Old 27 Nov 2016, 10:09 (Ref:3691357)   #16
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Hyundai vs Kia.

You can just imagine the anticipation from top of the mountain for such a great Australian rivalry
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 10:36 (Ref:3691359)   #17
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If only they were on opposing sides of the N/S Korea border.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 16:19 (Ref:3691478)   #18
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 20:56 (Ref:3691548)   #19
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I imagine its something along the lines of why build a commodore/falcon competitor when the market place is going away from these types of cars
The market for full size has cars had definitely reduced but there is still a market for them. I think that the Commodore is still in the top ten models sold here sale wise and of course there is a market for full size sedans world wide too. Not the outright sales leaders they once were here in Oz but still worth building something to appeal to a section of the market that Kia currently don't compete in.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 22:58 (Ref:3691590)   #20
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You can just imagine the anticipation from top of the mountain for such a great Australian rivalry
Something to watch while waiting for the Ute races.
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 23:01 (Ref:3691591)   #21
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The market for full size has cars had definitely reduced but there is still a market for them. I think that the Commodore is still in the top ten models sold here sale wise and of course there is a market for full size sedans world wide too. Not the outright sales leaders they once were here in Oz but still worth building something to appeal to a section of the market that Kia currently don't compete in.
They already do build a full-size car. It's called the K9/K900/Quoris. V8 powered, rear drive, and everything.

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Old 27 Nov 2016, 23:55 (Ref:3691598)   #22
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Considering the carparks of Australia are full of these brands of cars, you just never know what might show up
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Old 27 Nov 2016, 23:58 (Ref:3691599)   #23
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It's really helped moving all those Altimas I see out on the road. Why would Kia think they know how to do it so right when Nissan seemed to have got it fairly wrong?
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 00:26 (Ref:3691600)   #24
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They already do build a full-size car. It's called the K9/K900/Quoris. V8 powered, rear drive, and everything.



That isn't sold here in Oz so they're not in that market segment here.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 01:08 (Ref:3691611)   #25
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It's really helped moving all those Altimas I see out on the road. Why would Kia think they know how to do it so right when Nissan seemed to have got it fairly wrong?
Altima is probably more of a loss leader than anything.

The Supercars program was about raising brand awareness, not so much for the Altima itself. You probably won't find that many Altimas sitting in holding yards, compared to other slow sellers.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 01:09 (Ref:3691612)   #26
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It's really helped moving all those Altimas I see out on the road. Why would Kia think they know how to do it so right when Nissan seemed to have got it fairly wrong?
Depends on the range of sales and marketing strategies that each takes I guess - including price point and the quality of the car relative to the opposition etc.

It's of course not all about racing but if the Kia is rear wheel drive and using a similar engine configuration to the race car, that provides a stronger link from an image point of view.
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They already do build a full-size car. It's called the K9/K900/Quoris. V8 powered, rear drive, and everything.

Saw one of those in Bruges (Belgium) a couple of months back.
Parked among the Bimmers, Audis and Mercs it didn't look out of place so I wondered what it was.
Absolutely no Kia identification that I could see, just the Quoris.
Guess they are marketed like Infinity or Lexus in Europe as a separate upmarket brand.
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Old 28 Nov 2016, 19:46 (Ref:3691870)   #28
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So it's pretty much just one of these but the Kia version:
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Old 29 Nov 2016, 05:03 (Ref:3691962)   #29
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The punters on the hill won't have a choice, they'll have to like it or leave it
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It's really helped moving all those Altimas I see out on the road. Why would Kia think they know how to do it so right when Nissan seemed to have got it fairly wrong?
To be honest the Altima is an ungainly sack of crap, and the current Pulsar is an uninspiring drive - Nissan is in nowhereland with passenger cars at the moment - styling that is anonymous but at the same time ugly, bad engineering choices (CVT in a performance car?), and a lack of visibility to the car range from where I sit.

Whereas Kia's styling is getting very interesting since Peter Schreyer joined. I've also driven a couple of cars that were not base trolleys, and they are good cars outright, but exceptional value for money.

Hyundai has some very nice technology coming along and Kia has it too. the little turbo 1.6 with 265nm is outstanding for $30k. Hyundai is launching its "N" performance brand with what would seem to be a pretty brutal Golf GTI rival which will apparently have a 2L engine pumping 200kw, and you'd bet Kia will have a version of it. They do also have the Genesis twin turbo V6 elsewhere in the world.

There's no doubt Kia have the funds to do it, and the desire to market themselves and improve the public perception of their cars. In the negative side, they have spent an awful lot of money on Tennis.

No powder room here, but imagine if Hyundai and Kia homologated an engine that is common, did their own bodywork with common parts underneath, and had a 4 car team, or two separate teams!
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