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Old 18 Nov 2006, 22:30 (Ref:1769286)   #1
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Trailers & Tow cars.

This has probably been discussed before, but for me its decision time.

I need to replace my everyday modern (Fiat Coupe' 1997) with something newer. Also my L reg Renault furniture truck equipped with a winch and ramps as it is hard to park in York.

I'm looking to kill two birds and my current thinking is a smallish 4x4 with a good trailer.

My current thinking is a Honda CRV (braked trailer weight 1,500kgs). (However I am open to other suggestions.)

Does any of have experience of these cars?

Also, which trailer? My heaviest car is a little over a tonne.

Possibly Ifor Williams twin axle?

I used to tow with my Audi 100 quattro a decade or more ago and would never wish to tow a VSCC eligible car without 4x4.
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Old 18 Nov 2006, 23:00 (Ref:1769296)   #2
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I would have thought it a little lightweight to tow a one ton car and trailer, especiallly once you had passengers, fuel, tyres and spares etc loaded for the day. I use a CHEVY BLAZER V6 4.3 and it has a towing capacity of 3800 kgs and is a nice road car to use as well. Its on Autogas as well or would be a bit heavy on petrol.

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Old 18 Nov 2006, 23:15 (Ref:1769307)   #3
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Agree with Al, something bigger than a CRX I think. My car is just under a ton and the trailer is 0.5 ton, but by the time there's fuel and spart tyres aboard, that's probably closer to 1.7 ton total. Wouldn't want to pull that with anything less than a 1.7 ton dry weight car, even with 4wd. Why not look towards something in the 4wd estate range from someone like Volvo or Subaru. Then you'll have a very practical car as well as a good tow vehicle.
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Old 19 Nov 2006, 08:49 (Ref:1769454)   #4
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I looked at the CRV but chose a Nissan X-Trail instead. Good build quality, Good performance & fuel economy for a 4x4 (40 mpg, not towing!) and it can tow 2000kg.

Alternatively, how about an Audi Allroad? A friend of mine tows Audi quattros around on a Brian James tilt bed behind one of those and they are not exactly light. They are a bit pricey, though.

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Old 19 Nov 2006, 09:54 (Ref:1769476)   #5
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My current thinking is a Honda CRV (braked trailer weight 1,500kgs). (However I am open to other suggestions.)

Does any of have experience of these cars?

Also, which trailer? My heaviest car is a little over a tonne.

Possibly Ifor Williams twin axle?
If you want to stay within the law you need to look at the unladen weight and gross train weight of the tow vehicle. I would think the CRV would be marginal with a 1 ton car. It also gives a kerb weight of 1550kg which is quite light for a 4X4, my disco is 2 tons unladen.

You will need at (least) a twin axle trailer, I wouldn't go for less than a 2000kg gross as you may also want spare tyres and fuel on board as well.
Are you buying new or SH as you also need to look at the emissions efficiency of any post 2001 car in light of the green lobby that is taking over the world.
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Old 19 Nov 2006, 19:10 (Ref:1769774)   #6
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I'm with Andy97 on this. I have reviewed the Honda CRV, Nissan X-Trail and the Kia Sportage for www.carenthusiast.com. The Kia was the best of these, but only the X-Trail can pull 2000kgs. Tested the Nissan's towing ability by pulling 2000kgs (myrace car and trailer) around for the day and it towed brilliantly. Shame its too small to carry the amount of crap I'm finding necessary to take as well, and get the family in

Depends on your budget, Kia Sorento has serious towing capacity and sensible price, drives surprisingly well too
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Old 19 Nov 2006, 19:41 (Ref:1769796)   #7
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I use a Nissan Navara, which uses much of the same mechanicals that the X Trail does. It is plenty powerful enough and the gross weight is ideal for me towing a CRX and all the accoutrements around.

Why not go for a Navara? Well equipped and fast becoming cheap, four seats and a big load area that won't get messed up easily?

Having said that, the earlier Honda CRV uses the B20 Honda engine, one of the most reliable units Honda produced (and much sought after by Civic/ CRX tuners). The CRV is maybe a little light, but then I am slightly biased towards Hondas...

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Old 19 Nov 2006, 22:04 (Ref:1769876)   #8
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I've got a Navara as well, it copes with my Impreza and can carry all of my spares plus the gear for my wife, two kids under 4 and myself for a weekend away. I have the diesel version, and towing it averages around 14l/100k's, with out the car on the back it's around 9l/100k's.
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Land Rover*


*Defender, long wheelbase, or a disco. IIRC They can both pull something up to 4 tons, but have a maximum plated towing weight of 3.5 ton. or in other words, have more power than they can use.

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What about a BMW 530d?

Not 4x4 or AWD but rear wheel drive and a great lugger, does anyone know its towing capacity.

Great car too!
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The Defender whilst a good solid machine, will do your head in after about twenty miles on a motorway. The noise and discomfort levels are quite high. A Disco is certainly a good vehicle with 3.8t braked trailer capacity.
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Old 20 Nov 2006, 07:50 (Ref:1770070)   #12
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The Defender whilst a good solid machine, will do your head in after about twenty miles on a motorway. The noise and discomfort levels are quite high. A Disco is certainly a good vehicle with 3.8t braked trailer capacity.
had a 90td5 and fully agree, suberb you won't notice if you have a trailer or not. Now a I have a Volvo xc70 goes very very well with a trailer 450kg and racecars up to 1100kgs. Went to Zandvoort last saterday with a Mustang on my trailer , and that was clearly the max!
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Audi A6 Allroad,BJ Twin axle, 100mph back from Spa and not one moment of any drama!!
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Audi A6 Allroad,BJ Twin axle, 100mph back from Spa and not one moment of any drama!!
Definitely on my short list.
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Definitely on my short list.
I almost forgot,it was pumping out 44mpg ,not towing of course, towing it was giving 27 plus,it depended on what side of the ton you stayed at!
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