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Old 20 Nov 2006, 21:30 (Ref:1770940)   #31
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I'm surprised at that, one thing I did do on my Blazer was fit adjustable Air Springs as it sagged a touch when loaded and I would highly recommend these to anyone doing a lot of towing and lugging around, you can load the car then set it level, they are great.
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Old 20 Nov 2006, 21:55 (Ref:1770971)   #32
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1200Datto27 has a lot of promise if they can keep it on the circuit!
I've got all the load levellers, air springs, etc, to set the car up properly, the problem is that the trailing arm rear suspension that they use gains a lot of camber with a little bit of load, and has some fairly major toe control issues when accelerating and braking under load, hence leading into a situation where the inside shoulders of the tyres are overworked. The outside shoulder on the set of tyres that it killed still had the paint marks on them.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 08:59 (Ref:1771228)   #33
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I think its a similar chassis to an old Carlton I once towed with (once) and to be honest hat did not feel all that. I think the 70's design of the Blazer chassis that is shared with the Astro van and all the S10 pickups etc, i.e. cart sprung solid axle and double wishbone fronts makes for a stable towing platform.
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Old 21 Nov 2006, 09:31 (Ref:1771249)   #34
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 05:37 (Ref:1772792)   #35
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Blair's best tow car bible:
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Long wheel base
Short rear overhang
High tow ball, get a custom made gooseneck because they cost begger all and it will shorten your stopping distance by half. This is the main reason old school 4WD's are so good at towing.

Get this right and you will be able to tow a 2000 kg rig with a 1000 kg car and be safer than someonr with a 2000 kg car and a 1000 kg trailer! (We will not mention any legal ramifications at this stage...)

If you don't have those basics right you need compensation, such as load leveling/air rear suspension.
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4WD or RWD are prefered (FWD is OK if the above ratio is OK, otherwise you need RWD or 4WD)
Solid/live rear axles are the best for towing, but harder to live with every day.
Minimum 120 bhp/ton in Petrol, 70+ bhp/ton diesel (car only)

Sorry but a CRV just doesn't cut it as a tow car, you would be better off buying a 5 Series touring, even if it was 20 years old. 2nd gen Disco's are ordinary as well, but at least thay have self leveling rear, problem is when you continuely tow and the self levelers wear out (which happens too qucikly IMO) they start to be handicaped by their short wheelbase to long overhang. In the light 4WD lifestyle vehicles, the X trail is probably the best.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 08:10 (Ref:1772836)   #36
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Almost sounds like you are describing my 2000 model Blazer there NotSoSwift, with the Air Springs of course and the archiac 70's design truck chassis with live axle and cart springs makes for a very stable base even if not the most comfortable ride when not towing as you correctly point out.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 08:23 (Ref:1772851)   #37
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This has worked pretty well for me over the years. I've got a Race Shuttle now but haven't towed it yet.

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The only problem with a Jeep Cherokee or indeed a Blazer is the amount of load space behind the seats.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 09:36 (Ref:1772920)   #38
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Got lots more in the Blazer and indeed the Explorer than the Cherokee Peter, I have the Blazer and two of my mates have the other two and the Cherokee is smaller by far in fact I can get a good nights sleep in the back of the Chevy and I am 6ft.

PS I do have the long wheel base model!

PPS Is yours on Autogas Peter, my mate has his Cherokee on gas as I do on the Chevy although I dont like the position of his tank as its in the luggage area but it runs well on it and saves him big bucks. The Cherokee is also a better finished car if the truth be known but I prefer my V6 Vortex to the Chrysler straight 6.

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Then you must have the Tahoe model. The actual Blazer is the same wheelbase as the Cherokee both are a little bigger than the Xtrail. We've got them here in russia.

I tried the Explorer but after a couple of hours I couldn't make it comfortable so went for the Cherokee. Great car and no regrets. It is small but it punches way above its weight.

BTW I'm talking with the back seats up. Folded flat there's loads of room.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 11:35 (Ref:1773071)   #40
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MOndeo Zetec S V6 I'd give 8/10 ( huge load space, towed and handled well but FWD in the wet meant use of traction control if you floored it)

Subaru Legacy 2.5 I have to say 10/10, 4wd, but otherwise like the MOndeo, huge boot, but handled better, was las long but lower and lighter, hit 95 on the way back from DIjon last summer !!!

Transit 2.5 DT LWB is great too . . .and it has loads of storage, sleeping and food and wine on board !


I have towed with a Mitsubishi shogun, crap, and it blew up
Audi A4 2.6 quattro estate, capable but too small for racing
MK1 Cortina estate, Huge boot, not really enough grunt to make decent progress !!!
Scimitar GTE . . . cool, but the boots too small !
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 12:18 (Ref:1773130)   #41
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Of course your towing weight is less than 1.5 tonnes. Mine's around 2 tonnes probably a bit more but less than 2.5.

The reason for the RS5 is so I can put toolboxes, jacks fuel cans etc. into the shuttle leaving space in the car for clothes and stuff.
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Old 23 Nov 2006, 13:23 (Ref:1773208)   #42
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I use a Isuzu Rodeo 3L pick up for mine. Tows like a goodun. Also just gone out and bought a LDV Convoy 400 LWB 2.5L Turbo for the other Car and carry all the gear. For one car, we could of got all the gear on the back of the truck with a hard top.
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It became the Tahoe Peter I believe and looks very similiar to the current Tahoe model.
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Almost sounds like you are describing my 2000 model Blazer there NotSoSwift, with the Air Springs of course and the archiac 70's design truck chassis with live axle and cart springs makes for a very stable base even if not the most comfortable ride when not towing as you correctly point out.
One of the facts of life isn't it? Good tow cars aren't usally that good when not loaded up, and good everyday driving cars are always a compromise for towing!
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