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Old 11 May 2005, 02:57 (Ref:1297983)   #31
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Ah yes, the spare battery. That would have been a miss. Thanks Speedy King!

What about jets. Any advice there? Our track sits at about 1350 meters. And tires? a spare set and wets? Brake shoes? Rotor?
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Old 11 May 2005, 03:03 (Ref:1297987)   #32
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if tony is supported at a shop / track close to your house, by all means go for it. if it's not, consider something else. nothing is more annoying than having to order parts online because it's not supported close to where you race.

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Old 11 May 2005, 03:19 (Ref:1297995)   #33
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Thanks Boro. The shop closest to my house (3km) is the only Rotax shop within 800km. They carry Tony Kart, Birel, CRG, Track Magic and had PTK but they told me the PTK's are no more and that Tony is going to be building the new Paul Tracy signature line so PTK parts may be hard to come by soon as they don't think CRG intends to give full them continued support. Seems the Tony Kart should be a good choice with quite a few outlets all over when we start to travel. It's been suggested that due to my son's size we also consider a Birel AR28 but in talking with the few guys that have them around here they have told me they are having a tough time dialing in the handeling as they seem to have a severe inbred push. Those that have the Tonys seem to love them so....

Speedy King, you drive a Trulli and seem to like it, Tony builds that too, yes?

One other question. I hear that Rotax is seriously considering requiring front brakes for the 2006 RotaxMax rules. If so it may make sense to buy a kart with front brakes and remove them for this season as it is way less expensive than retrofitting next year. What do you guys know or hear about this?
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Old 11 May 2005, 03:45 (Ref:1297997)   #34
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Most karts that come with front brakes are way too stiff for RMC. Better to buy a 30 / 30/32 chassis now and then see if you can grab the stuff needed for front brakes later.

A shifter chassis would be too stiff for a Jr. Rotax (even if it was originally designed for use w/ a 80cc shifter), and I've not hear about RM requiring front brakes. If that was the case this would've been done as the engine and class isn't anything new.

IF FA/FSA don't need fronts, I don't see how a rotax can possibly "require" front brakes.

As for data acquisition; do that in a few years time after your son has some racing under his belt and knows what to do to for chassis adjustments. A lot of times people get too distracted with the "dash" readout and are not concentrating on driving.

An Alfano pro or anything equivalent would be fine. It has split sector times, rpm and water temp along w/ the memory of the highest rpm and temp reached. Our provincial RM champion who happens to be one of our national representatives at the 2005 RMC worlds races W/O any display on his wheel.
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Old 11 May 2005, 04:33 (Ref:1298007)   #35
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Thanks again Boro. The "Racer" chassis is all 30mm so it seems to be the right choice for where we are headed especially when you consider my son is a lightweight, even if we have to meet the weight minimum.

No display is not a bad idea. My son also races luge and we will often turn off the clock so the kids can concentrate on sliding and not worry about their time. Good time comes automatically with smoothe driving and good form so I know what you mean.
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Old 12 May 2005, 09:57 (Ref:1299027)   #36
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We carry a spare starter motor as the leads to the brushes are liable to fail. Easily fixed but with a bit r of practice new starter motor can be fitted very quickly.

We also carry a sapre starter switch and rear axles. A clutch plate and proper removal tool as evetually one of the clutch shoes or its mounting post will break.

A spare clutch drum with a differenent front sprocket can make gearing changes simpler.
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Old 12 May 2005, 18:10 (Ref:1299372)   #37
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if the driving in america in Rotax max is anything like it is here in England you might as well take a new chassi/spare chassi to all meeting as there likly to get writtern off by some poor drivers!
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Old 13 May 2005, 01:26 (Ref:1299573)   #38
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Thanks for the advice. I didn't understand the spare clutch drum comment until later today as I hadn't paid attention to how it was assembled. It is a good idea. I just assumed it would work very simply, like my motorcycles, where you just remove a circlip, slide one sprocket off, slide the new one on, add the circlip and go racing. Is this just bad design or is there a real design need to remove the whole countershaft assembly to get to the countersprocket?

#15 tkm 4/, you crack me up. I understand what your saying but in America it just seems to be the adults who don't know how to drive. To bad Rotax won't allow a spare chassis for the older boys.
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Old 13 May 2005, 13:10 (Ref:1299876)   #39
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Just thought of something else, the little circlip that is usd to adjust nehdle height can get loose and get lost or, as circlips tend to do, go flying off.
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Old 13 May 2005, 22:16 (Ref:1300387)   #40
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I'd like to extend that to a spare slide, or even complete carb. I had a delorto slide fall to peices on me a few weeks ago. We were lucky, the bit that fell off stayed infront of the reeds. It could happen to you, but you probably won't be so lucky....
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Old 14 May 2005, 13:14 (Ref:1300694)   #41
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You guys are great. Finally oredered the kart. We went with the Tony Kart Racer EV. Things are coming together nicely. As with you folks, everyone in the paddock here is very nice and extremely helpful. Today we are working on getting the trailer built out and stocked. Although my son is the one who will (and wants to) drive, I feel like a kid in the candy store. Thanks Again!!!
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Old 16 May 2005, 03:11 (Ref:1301877)   #42
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you'll love the reliability of the rotax i think (if you jet it properly).

my friend and I ran from 1030 to 4 nonstop today and the kart didn't show any signs of hiccup. This was on an engine that's already 24 hours old.

all that needed replacing at the end before the next race next weekend will be a sprocket and a chain.

just keep everything properly lubed (remember to lube the bearings) and you'll be fine. chances are your son will need a break before the kart does

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Old 16 May 2005, 15:26 (Ref:1302293)   #43
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You guys are great. Finally oredered the kart. We went with the Tony Kart Racer EV. Things are coming together nicely. As with you folks, everyone in the paddock here is very nice and extremely helpful. Today we are working on getting the trailer built out and stocked. Although my son is the one who will (and wants to) drive, I feel like a kid in the candy store. Thanks Again!!!
Wish my dad shared some of your enthusiasm! He missed the start of my last race as he was busy in the car reading the paper
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Wish my dad shared some of your enthusiasm! He missed the start of my last race as he was busy in the car reading the paper
I can't believe that!...mind you I'd guess you must be a bit older than 'Flatspots' 14 year old lad!?

'Flatspot' whilst I can't add to the Rotax tech talk (it came in just after my lad progressed? to motor racing) I did run several youngsters from the age of 8 to the age of 16 for some 10 years winning 13 championships in a variety of classes here in the UK. Inc the highest junior British Junior Championship 100 Reed valve and the Junior ICA class (winning it twice against someone called Jenson Button...whatever became of him?) What you didn't tell us was how experienced you lad was!

That you asked loads of prep' stuff I'll take a guess he's quite new to it?...well if so don't get too involved in the Data Logging stuff stick with your eyeballs and the stopwatch! After safety the most important thing is running him in testing/practice until you've made a groove in the place, time and watch the fastest lads and study their lines and their split times. Whilst hairpins bends don't win races they are the best splits to compare your drivers technique...ie not scrubbing off too much speed whilst not dropping too many revs and getting a good clean fast exit. (so many people confuse a fast kart at the end of the straight with the motor/carb...when it was the poor exit!

It worked for us! You will also find your reliability will come from your own ability to be a fast worker on the kart in terms of repairs and maintenance, although this new breed of R Max's are 100% better than the fragile air-cooled dyno tuned stuff we used to run.

Spend "qualitytime" too with your guy at the trackside at differant corners studying the fastest guys testing, you can never have enough stop watches either!

Hope I'm not teaching "Granny to suck eggs!" but you didn't mention your mileage.

PS: The hidden spin offs of taking my sons racing every weekend was they never got into drugs (except hi octane) booze and getting into trouble (off the track!) it also taught them how to keep their cool in a heated situation. Also all 3 of mine passed their road driving test first time without a single professional driving lesson! Non to date has been involved in an road accident, all have clean licenses and one has a highly paid job in motor racing.

One last bit of advice...do it seriously sure, but never let it get you both uptight!...next week-ends race is a whole clean sheet of paper. Boy how I miss it! Motor racing doesn't like us dads hanging around our boys! :-(
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Old 16 May 2005, 17:54 (Ref:1302407)   #45
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I can't believe that!...mind you I'd guess you must be a bit older than 'Flatspots' 14 year old lad!?
15. Seriously, the most important thing in my point of view is that you show your son you enjoy it as much as him and encourage him to try his hardest, but not to be dissapointed if he dosent go as well as he would like, just show your proud of his achievments. That'll be enough to put a smile on his face and give him some self appreciation and progress fast. Track time is just as vital as a good chassis, engine like what's been said. The more time on track the better

One other thing, i don't know what his pysical state is, but karting does drain your energy when you start out in this age range. Some weights help for arms and long bike rides if possible for stamina
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