Gp2 at Monte Carlo 2016

[skells22]

yes, it that time of year again as next FRIDAY and SATURDAY the cars will go to Monaco and that means very high risk of a SC or a red flag

[Mekola]

And on THURSDAY will be Free Practice and Qualifying.

[Juntos]

There would be immense shame in it but lets see how many drivers hold their seats after the crash - boom - bang.

[FeederSeriesFan]

No prediction topic this time ?

[skells22]

we at waiting for marshals to repair Armco time

[Mekola]

Originally Posted by FeederSeriesFan

No prediction topic this time ?

Can't calculate Barcelona... Then all Barcelona predictions will count for Montecarlo this round.

[GM10]

What a pole for Sirotkin! He improved Grosjean's pole record obtained with Bridgestone tyres!

[skells22]

I think Gasly might be cursing himself after forgoting to go to weightbrige when called on, he was not the only one as Canmasasa also did the same and both will therefore start in pit lane along with Jeffi for blocking a car on its fast lap and get a 3 place grid pen but as he can not serve that in full he will join the other two in the pit lane

[Razzzor]

Good god this commentator is thick isn't he? He's carrying on like Artem actually put in the race of the century and built a 50sec lead on track in about 3 laps.

He had a 12sec lead pre VSC, the VSC ends and he has over 30sec - at one point it was up to 50sec!!! All under VSC. That needs fixing.

Exciting race otherwise.

[tux]

Im really confused as to how Markelov got the gap to come out in the lead. Its not as if Nato went unreasonably slow under the VSC because Rowland didnt gain on him under the VSC.

[Sev]

The moral is clear right? Ignore VSCs. I feel sorry for Nato.

(Also, first post in ~3 years!)

[pimmy]

Originally Posted by Razzzor

Good god this commentator is thick isn't he? He's carrying on like Artem actually put in the race of the century and built a 50sec lead on track in about 3 laps.

He had a 12sec lead pre VSC, the VSC ends and he has over 30sec - at one point it was up to 50sec!!! All under VSC. That needs fixing.

Exciting race otherwise.

I'm amazed that Alex Jakes still has a job. He must have some serious dirt on somebody.

I'd expect at least a 30 sec. penalty for Markelov.

[Armco Bender]

I wake up this morning a see Markelov is still the winner.
He must have been going 88mph under the virtual safety car and gone 50 seconds into the future.

[tux]

Originally Posted by Armco Bender

I wake up this morning a see Markelov is still the winner.
He must have been going 88mph under the virtual safety car and gone 50 seconds into the future.

Its kinda as if the whole thing has just disappeared.

[Armco Bender]

Looks like the result stands...even Markelov was bewildered he won.
Appears there is nothing to stop you 'creeping' time on the VSC.

[p-matt]

How Markelov won isn't straightforward but he didn't cheat under VSC, he just got very lucky.

The point of VSC is that the gaps in terms of distance between cars remain constant, but the speed is much lower. Simple physics tells us that time = distance / speed, meaning that under VSC the gaps in terms of time between cars increases. It takes about a sector of a lap for the time gaps to increase, then they stay constant. When the VSC ends it also takes about a sector of a lap for the time gaps to get back to normal as they would be under racing speeds. However the time taken for a pitstop will always be constant at 30s. It was purely luck that Markelov was in the final sector when the VSC ended and could make the stop to gain track position.

It's not much different to how Piquet Jr fluked a podium in Germany 08 by staying out long and lucking into a well timed safety car to make his pitstop that day. Or how Ceccon found himself a minute up the road in Auto GP in Brno 2011 I think when the safety car picked up the wrong driver.

[cappra250]

I wouldn't call it luck. Apparently he managed to gain a good 15scs gap over the others by delaying the VSC mode each time. They speak about 4 to 5 seconds ''reaction time'' for each of the VSC periods. Which means 4-5 scs staying 'flat out' under yellow flag situation before reducing the speed to 80 kph.
Nobody in the rest of the field gain anything similar to that amount.
The best thing is that Race Direction by allowing such an action has created a precedent which is against the intention of a rule that was created after a driver died by failing to slow down in a yellow flag situation. And moreover this has happened in Monaco.
What are the drivers supposed to do next time a VSC appears?

[p-matt]

But time gaps between everyone increased under VSC because the speeds were slower (t=d/s). he could use that gap to pit after the VSC ended. If he exceeded the max speed under VSC he'd have got a penalty, no question. He clearly didn't.

The rules should be changed so that no one can pit directly after a VSC until the time gaps normalise

[el_cat]

Originally Posted by p-matt

But time gaps between everyone increased under VSC because the speeds were slower (t=d/s). he could use that gap to pit after the VSC ended. If he exceeded the max speed under VSC he'd have got a penalty, no question. He clearly didn't.

The rules should be changed so that no one can pit directly after a VSC until the time gaps normalise

I don't think this is entirely correct though. I understand fully that the physical distance remains the same, so the lower speeds means the time gaps increase. But Markelov would only have had enough time to pit if - once the race went green - Nato continued at VSC speed rather than accelerated to full racing speed.

There was a caption shown on the coverage just as Markelov pitted that compared his and Nato's last 3 laps. Markelov was 15s a lap quicker on the last 2 under VSC. Thats where the bulk of the gap came from - somehow, he managed to go that much quicker without actually breaking the rules. Perhaps Nato was going too slowly, I don't know.

[Mekola]

Originally Posted by p-matt

It's not much different to how Piquet Jr fluked a podium in Germany 08 by staying out long and lucking into a well timed safety car to make his pitstop that day. Or how Ceccon found himself a minute up the road in Auto GP in Brno 2011 I think when the safety car picked up the wrong driver.

Nelsinho expected to win in F1 that way then, but he didn't expect Lewis Hamilton was so impressive to overtake him at the end of the race...

His face on Hockenheim podium showed that his strategy failed to impress enough, he was so angry to lose a secure victory, and noted that then...

From my own, never expected JM López GP2 humilliation in 2006 would be vindicated two years later in F1, in the same track.

[chunterer]

So a weird result to the first race but I think we saw examples of very good talent and very poor talent over the weekend.

Nato looks like he is maturing nicely now. Always been bloody quick but didn't seem to be able to harness it. Well he has now.

Rowland is a class driver. To qualify that well in that team was extremely impressive. He seems to have a handle on tyre management in the races now too. I am hopeful he can push on a mount a title challenge?

Canamassas pulled some great moves.

Sirotkin seems to be crumbling under pressure or something. We know the speed is there but he's lost composure. He needs to get that sorted.

[W.A Trichlorostyrene]

Here is Autosport explaining how Markelov won: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...k-markelov-win

Short explanation: he got his VSC periods in slow parts of the track, therefore reducing his speed loss, while his rivals got them in fast parts.

Nato has always been great at Monaco, shame he did not get the win. I've rarely seen a driver look so disappointed with P2.

[Rf1 Fan]

Originally Posted by W.A Trichlorostyrene

Here is Autosport explaining how Markelov won: http://www.autosport.com/news/report...k-markelov-win

Short explanation: he got his VSC periods in slow parts of the track, therefore reducing his speed loss, while his rivals got them in fast parts.

Nato has always been great at Monaco, shame he did not get the win. I've rarely seen a driver look so disappointed with P2.

Well for Nato it was more than just a P2 he missed a home victory in a particuliar french context, well connected to Bianchi's family and 20th anniversary of Panis win.

[Armco Bender]

Should be the end of VSC'c then if they can give some competitors an advantage over others.