IMSA USCC in 2016 and 2017

[chernaudi]

From what I've seen on Racing Sports Cars, they don't give total time for distance events.

[TF110]

Glad Mazda got a 'real' team to run their cars for next seasin. I'll miss them this year a little. I'm betting the multimatic/riley p2 will use it's joker if the Mazda is going to be based on it still. If multimatic is smart, they'll have Joest cooperation with the basis for the Mazda and work from there. Once you get the fundamentals right the rest should fall into place. Maybe the cockpit won't be so darn wide next year. We'll see, but this is really awesome news!

[fieldodreams79]

I correct myself, the 1998 event went 10 hours at 391 laps.

Originally Posted by chernaudi

From what I've seen on Racing Sports Cars, they don't give total time for distance events.

Feel free to get lost in here:
http://racing-reference.info/tracks/...lanta_Speedway

1998 - 10 hours (391 laps), Doyle-Risi Ferrrari 333 SP, van de Poele, Taylor Collard
1999 - 8:56, Panoz LMP, Brabham, Bernard, Wallace Fastest Average Speed at 111.914 mph
2000 - 9:08, Audi R8, Capello, McNish, Alboreto
2001 - 9:15, Audi R8, Biela, Pirro
2002 - 9:27, Audi R8, Kristensen, Capello
2003 - 9:31, Audi R8, Lehto, Herbert
2004 - 9:35, Audi R8, Lehto, Werner
2005 - 9:16, Audi R8, Pirro, Biela
2006 - 9:16, Audi R10, McNish, Capello
2007 - 9:18, Audi R10, McNish, Capello
2008 - 9:41, Audi R10, McNish, Capello, Pirro
2009 - RAIN - 184 LAPS, Peugeot 908, Mantangy, Sarrazin
2010 - 9:10, Peugeot 908, Mantangy, Lamy, Sarrazin
2011 - 9:34, Peugeot 908, Mantangy, Lamy, Sarrazin
2012 - 9:37, Lola B12/60 (Rebellion) Belicchi, Jani, Prost
2013 - 9:37, Lola B12/60 (Rebellion) Heidfeld, Jani, Prost


10 hours means more racing, but I like the added element of either/or.

And yes, I have nothing better to do ATM.

[JHamilton]

Originally Posted by fieldodreams79

Weather happens at times for many races....and I recall 2009 and 2015. I was there!



You're WRONG! Distance race more better.

2016: 412 laps = 1046 miles
2015: The rain won
2014: 400 laps = 1016 miles

Times are harder to come by but I think the closest was early 2000s at 9.5 hours. Always went distance.

I like endurance races to be based on time. Plus, if we're ever going to get a better media package, it needs to end at a set time.

I agree, the loss of the strategy sucks but I'm not sure how often that played out anyway . Also, I'm not asking you what lap it is every 30 secs.

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[fieldodreams79]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

I like endurance races to be based on time. Plus, if we're ever going to get a better media package, it needs to end at a set time.

I agree, the loss of the strategy sucks but I'm not sure how often that played out anyway . Also, I'm not asking you what lap it is every 30 secs.

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I'm picking up what you're throwing down. I like consistency and history, and the uniqueness that PLM was from the onset. I also love tracking lap counts. However, after supper on Saturday, tracking the clock is and has always been much easier than lap counts!

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

I like endurance races to be based on time. Plus, if we're ever going to get a better media package, it needs to end at a set time.

I agree, the loss of the strategy sucks but I'm not sure how often that played out anyway . Also, I'm not asking you what lap it is every 30 secs.

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I agree with the concept of time for endurance racing but what am I missing re: the loss of strategy? One must strategize in either. Also, during either, it may have to change during, and, according to, the course of the race.

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by jimclark

I agree with the concept of time for endurance racing but what am I missing re: the loss of strategy? One must strategize in either. Also, during either, it may have to change during, and, according to, the course of the race.

You would have to figure out where the leader would get to 1000 instead of just when is 10 hours completed. So if the leader has problems then end of the race could be be pushed back if they were laps ahead. Especially important for the GT guys who aren't really watching the prototype battle on track most of the race and are adding laps at a different pace so their fuel use is different.

[Maelochs]

There is a reason the approximately 24 Hours of Le Mans isn't the subject of a lot of movies ....

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

You would have to figure out where the leader would get to 1000 instead of just when is 10 hours completed. So if the leader has problems then end of the race could be be pushed back if they were laps ahead. Especially important for the GT guys who aren't really watching the prototype battle on track most of the race and are adding laps at a different pace so their fuel use is different.

Huh?

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by Maelochs

There is a reason the approximately 24 Hours of Le Mans isn't the subject of a lot of movies ....

Okay Mae...I'll bite. What's that...? (approximately?)

[AoB Special Stage]

Originally Posted by jimclark

Huh?

The race ends the lap the overall leader ticks over 1K, so the GT cars have to try and backtime off another car that gain or lose time, they don't know.

[JHamilton]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

You would have to figure out where the leader would get to 1000 instead of just when is 10 hours completed. So if the leader has problems then end of the race could be be pushed back if they were laps ahead. Especially important for the GT guys who aren't really watching the prototype battle on track most of the race and are adding laps at a different pace so their fuel use is different.

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

The race ends the lap the overall leader ticks over 1K, so the GT cars have to try and backtime off another car that gain or lose time, they don't know.

Thanks, this is the strategy I was speaking of.

[Adam43]

FWIW I like a mixture of both time and distance races because they are a little different. Of course Le Mans and Sebring should be timed, but having some of the others as distance would be great for variety. Strategy is just different for both.

The main reason that I see for the timed race is that it is easier for timetables and telly. That's a boring reason for me.

[Matt]

Road America should be a 500 mile race.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by Matt

Road America should be a 500 mile race.

Oh, no. No can do. 'Can't be reliving 30 (or so) years ago, remember? 'Not allowed.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by AoB Special Stage

The race ends the lap the overall leader ticks over 1K, so the GT cars have to try and backtime off another car that gain or lose time, they don't know.

Huh2?

(The huhs are in regard to all the mumbo jumbo. Besides, it's all estimates, so if "they" don't "know", it's time to hire somebody else. )

[broadrun96]

Originally Posted by jimclark

Huh2?

(The huhs are in regard to all the mumbo jumbo. Besides, it's all estimates, so if "they" don't "know", it's time to hire somebody else. )

That's the strategy, it requires guys who can watch and determine another team, in another class, strategy so they can then determine when the race will end and back count. It changes often so they have to know when the right time to pit is relative the leader's pace, not relative a set time.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by broadrun96

That's the strategy, it requires guys who can watch and determine another team, in another class, strategy so they can then determine when the race will end and back count. It changes often so they have to know when the right time to pit is relative the leader's pace, not relative a set time.

Huh #3....

[chernaudi]

In fairness, we have so many timed races (not just endurance events, but sprint races) because of TV coverage/TV contracts. Outside of NASCAR or F1, no series really has the pull to have live races based on distance. And even F1 has a max time limit on races (two consecutive hours from start to finish, and there's also something about a four hour window if a race is delayed or red flagged). So it's either that races are shown as tape delayed highlights or are timed to fit in a window.

Almost all of IMSA's races going back years and years, well before the ALMS, were 2:30-3:00 hour races. The ALMS' standard race length was 2:45, much like today. And races that were longer were either shown live on cable (usually Speedvision/Speed Channel) or on tape delay in a highlights show that was usually 2 hours long. Even CBS's races that were shown as live were basically the first hour shown as condensed highlights/live coverage mixed and the second hour live.

The TV guys like timed races because that means no interference if a race run on distance goes over the time the wanted to allocate to it.

Only distance race where that wasn't usually a problem was PLM, and even that was 1000 miles or 10 hours+1 lap, which ever came first until 2014.

A 1000km race if run mostly under green could take only a bit more than 5 hours, but if it rains or you get a ton of yellows, you could be there for well over 6 hours.

[JHamilton]

Originally Posted by jimclark

Huh #3....

Are you being deliberately obstinate or do you truly not understand?

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[Matt]

Originally Posted by JHamilton

Are you being deliberately obstinate or do you truly not understand?

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The former, as usual.

[jimclark]

Originally Posted by Matt

The former, as usual.

'Truly appreciate your trying to help, but I've got it. Thanks'.

Originally Posted by JHamilton

Are you being deliberately obstinate or do you truly not understand?

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Neither. 'Not being obstinate and 'do understand; 'always have. 'Just too many words, as explained in post 5366.
There's all kinds of strategies in every race in each exercise; be it timed, distanced, sprint or endurance. There's never "an" explanation for any of them as every race is dynamic.
Now I'm doing it (the word thing)
I digress.

[chernaudi]

Well, well, well. WeatherTech/MacNeil ditched the Porsche 911 GT3 in favor of the Mercedes-Benz AMG GT over BOP, and now are back running a Porsche for the same reasons:

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/we...n-bop-dispute/

[Akrapovic]

Originally Posted by chernaudi

Well, well, well. WeatherTech/MacNeil ditched the Porsche 911 GT3 in favor of the Mercedes-Benz AMG GT over BOP, and now are back running a Porsche for the same reasons:

http://sportscar365.com/imsa/iwsc/we...n-bop-dispute/

If the BoP fluctuates so much then it does make sense swapping back and forward depending on the circuit.

[joeb]

Originally Posted by Akrapovic

If the BoP fluctuates so much then it does make sense swapping back and forward depending on the circuit.

That is a good strategy, have 2-4 different models and run whichever looks the strongest on the bop sheet!

This is always a problem with bop, and didn't Racers Group cite the poor bop as a reason for ditching their Porsche campaign earlier this season?