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I remember when Renault entered F1 in '76 with their car/turbo engine and evryone thought it was a flash in the pan....just saying.
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The problem with DW is no one simply want it to win. If they do, a simple BoP break will do, but currently there isn't any of that. As there is no reference to measure how much work needed to make DW a competitive package, the performance of it is totally dependent on politics.
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Damn-it finished. If it had run trouble free could'a been a contendah. Shocking to see such low numbers on the position lights!
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Panoz has always enjoyed doing his own thing so going a regular route is unlikely. The first Deltawing (with Nissan) finished Petit LM OK in 2012 so it is becoming difficult to understand why reliability is so difficult to find now. The coupe version seems more of a problem than the roadster though apart from the gearbox none of the issues that take it out seem very major so aren't insurmountable. They deserve a result for persevering with it.
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I remember RA, just wondered if there was any finish without major issue since. Panoz ran an lmp1 before so its not like he has always been the oddball. I hardly see the point, unless he has confidence in it, or no other hobby?
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18 Mar 2014, 09:47 (Ref:3381406) | #2632 | ||
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Just watched Sebring a couple days ago ..... the Delta wing is still vile .
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The next race on the Tudor championship is the tight and twisty Longbeach road course.... and the Deltawing isn't going....From Twitter:-
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22 Mar 2014, 22:56 (Ref:3383154) | #2635 | |
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Isnt it the turning radius or lack of it the reason?
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There was fan speculation that it couldn't make the hairpin.
I don't think anyone associated with the car ever claimed that. |
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"Doesn't suit our car" sounds like a problem making certain types of turns. What other reason could there be? Sebring is just as bumpy so that aint it.
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It's a car which is definitely best for circuits with long straights, like Le Mans & Spa. It would definitely have a bigger challenge making a good lap time on a street circuit with lots of low and medium speed corners, but I think that's just Panoz running from a challenge. A proper racing car needs to be competitive over a season with different types of tracks. Maybe it means they need to work on their torque vectoring concept, which could help it get around those slow corners quicker. Maybe it means they need to come up with a higher downforce variant. If they stick with under-body downforce, they could still have something a good deal more efficient than the other cars.
It's a concept that deserves further development. If it ends up being a dud, it's a dud. They should give it a chance first. |
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In all motorsport it is competition that forces development. If there was a Deltawing class with a dozen or similar more cars competing against each other you could be sure the concept would be much better sorted by now for you would have 12 times the people and 12 times the money working on it. While there is only one car and a limited budget it makes sense to concentrate on circuits which it is best suited to.
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Lets just clear one thing up! The car can make the Long Beach hairpin turn. Even Indy cars struggle there.
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N one knows if the car can make the turn as it has never tested there, to my knowledge, and the fact that even IndyCar have problems there in fact would indicate against, not for, the DWing's capacity.
I would assume the car can physically negotiate the corner but would need to go so slowly that it would either stop the race or never get a break in traffic. I have been a DWing fan but from what I have seen so far, the car simply cannot corner on par with its competitors, and thus is not really a contender in a road-racing series. Fifth at Petit was great, but if the car only works at certain courses it is not really up to par with cars which can run fast anywhere. |
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Found some footage of a class of Deltawings practicing cornering
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It has to be of relevance to the Deltawing just what performance is achieved by the Zeod given the fact that Bowlby is at the helm, it is the next generation of the concept and has some mega-bucks available to finance its development. Hopefully the Panoz effort might eventually be able to benefit from any advances the Zeod reveals (law suits allowing). As it is I think the Deltawing remains a worthy attempt at persevering with a radical concept that still has undiscovered potential. All other teams in the series have the benefit of running cars that have evolved from decades of development in design, engineering, tire technology and many thousands of race/test laps. To compare a single vehicle using so much unorthodox technology and being raced on a relative shoestring with the ultra-developed cars it races against requires making some allowances. If nothing else it adds interest to field and satisfies the strange urge that some people have to hate things that don't conform. |
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