|
||||||||||
|
||||||||||
10 Feb 2018, 14:45 (Ref:3800289) | #1726 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,449
|
Quote:
|
||
|
10 Feb 2018, 15:31 (Ref:3800299) | #1727 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 11,299
|
Doubtful at best, Road Atlanta has events all fall. There's zero chance the events who have signed contracts to use the track can move, or will want to move, as there are no open dates. And there's zero chance moving another event wouldn't get around fast and there are other tracks in the area who would jump to grab paying events.
|
|
|
10 Feb 2018, 15:31 (Ref:3800300) | #1728 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2015
Posts: 10,932
|
IMSA could move the date, but FOX cannot accommodate. However even if FOX and IMSA could arrange it being moved, why should they? I'm a WEC fan first, but I don't see why IMSA should move their event to try and accommodate WEC screwing over half their regulars to fit in one driver.
|
|
|
10 Feb 2018, 16:33 (Ref:3800311) | #1729 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 8,827
|
And that's how I see it. The date was originally moved to avoid this. Not to mention that it inconveniences those who planned around the original (moved) date just from a logistical standpoint.
I know that the ACO are doing this from PR/press POV, but at the same time, you don't screw over your "customers" who have ties to your series. Some of them might decide to do PLM just as a "take that" to the ACO and the WEC, though that probably depends on contracts and which one gets priority. Ironically, Alonso's F1 contract likely taking priority is what brought this about. |
||
|
10 Feb 2018, 18:34 (Ref:3800334) | #1730 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,389
|
Quote:
|
||
|
10 Feb 2018, 18:44 (Ref:3800336) | #1731 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 8,827
|
Well, if racing series outside of NASCAR or F1 paid some big bucks to race, we wouldn't be having this issue either IMO. Unless you have some big factory contract, these professional drivers are having to race in multiple series to make a living.
|
||
|
10 Feb 2018, 19:11 (Ref:3800339) | #1732 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,449
|
Quote:
|
||
|
11 Feb 2018, 00:03 (Ref:3800373) | #1733 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,864
|
Quote:
Sure, somewhere on the calendar WILL be SOMETHING that can be traded... But they're not moving PLM to June or anything like that, they need to stick to a specific timeframe. That's where the issues come up. |
|||
|
11 Feb 2018, 02:13 (Ref:3800387) | #1734 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,515
|
Quote:
But this here is a WEC problem only. If they are willing, at this late a date, to affect the logistics of their teams running million dollar budgets, the least they can do is shift it to a time that won't conflict with a major event like this. If they can't, then at least don't have nerve to ask the other series to change their plans because you are poorly managed. I understand tracks are booked most weekends. But, if Fuji had an open date the week prior to the original date, that means there is an open date to play with at least, and potentially others. The last place to look is at IMSA to move another race date that million dollar budget teams have planned for. Lastly, a quick look here, www.fsw.tv/en/pdf/event.pdf shows one event planned for the month of November and only two in December. Without looking at F1 calendar, I'm sure one of those weeks could work. Asking IMSA to move Petit rather than figuring out a better solution is inexcusably poor management. Or, you know, don't change your series based on one driver. Just a thought. And I'm an Alonso fan. |
||
|
11 Feb 2018, 02:44 (Ref:3800395) | #1735 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,955
|
Quote:
|
||
|
11 Feb 2018, 04:08 (Ref:3800412) | #1736 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,308
|
lol. I will never get the IMSA chest beating. Since when was Scott Atherton or IMSA trust worthy?
They're not changing the date based on a single driver, they're doing it based on the demands one of their race promoters which is also the only (and long suffering) manufacturer entrant in their top category. Not much they can do but go along with it in that situation. |
|
|
11 Feb 2018, 04:22 (Ref:3800415) | #1737 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,515
|
Quote:
|
||
|
11 Feb 2018, 05:19 (Ref:3800419) | #1738 | |||||||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,864
|
Quote:
Quote:
But the same scheduling issues I refer to with PLM apply to Fuji. Quote:
Quote:
Quote:
Last edited by FormulaFox; 11 Feb 2018 at 05:32. |
|||||||
|
11 Feb 2018, 08:14 (Ref:3800431) | #1739 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,308
|
As opposed to the great, no, INCREDIBLE management it is when you let HPD run your prototype regulation agreement with the ACO into a brick wall because they don't want to switch ECUs and allowing BMW to race GT3 cars in GTLM. Do you need a ladder to get down from that horse?
|
|
|
11 Feb 2018, 12:28 (Ref:3800485) | #1740 | ||
Veteran
Join Date: Dec 2009
Posts: 1,515
|
Quote:
|
||
|
11 Feb 2018, 14:20 (Ref:3800503) | #1741 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Mar 2012
Posts: 1,126
|
An observation I made many years may have a connection here. It was during the hey day of the ALMS and ACO co-operation. The ACO was holding the pre-Le Mans testing and Road Atlanta held a test weekend 'for the others' the same weekend. At the time, it seems the ACO did not like having a competing event being held and the scheduling cooperation never seemed as smooth afterwards. Anyone notice this?
|
|
|
11 Feb 2018, 19:46 (Ref:3800539) | #1742 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 7,175
|
Quote:
|
|||
|
12 Feb 2018, 00:34 (Ref:3800595) | #1743 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,308
|
Which doesn't change it being acquiescence to manufacturers in any sense.
|
|
|
12 Feb 2018, 00:57 (Ref:3800599) | #1744 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Sep 2010
Posts: 15,389
|
Exactly. They did it to appease a manufacturer. WEC changed it's date of Fuji to appease a manufacturer. BMW adds another car to GTE or GTLM whatever... Changing Fuji's date adds Alonso to the World Championship possibility. Both of those bring a big following and more eyes. The other drivers being stiffed because of this will probably benefit in the long run thanks to the increased exposure Alonso is bringing. It's not all his fault and it's not like he asked for this. The WEC and Toyota need this and are doing the series as a whole a big favor. It sucks IMSA can't move their date, or F1 move their date. But in order to capitalize on this, someone had to make a move, sadly it was only the WEC and that encroaches on PLM.
|
|
|
12 Feb 2018, 04:53 (Ref:3800622) | #1745 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 914
|
Quote:
At least BMW joining the grid didn't inconvenience like 10 of teams in both series. |
|||
|
12 Feb 2018, 11:28 (Ref:3800674) | #1746 | |||
Veteran
Join Date: Jan 2015
Posts: 1,864
|
Quote:
If the conflict was at literally ANY event besides Fuji or Le Mans, Toyota would likely have no issue with it. |
|||
|
12 Feb 2018, 13:18 (Ref:3800712) | #1747 | |
Racer
Join Date: Jan 2013
Posts: 284
|
Personally, I love the assumption that Alonso running for Toyota is going to lead to gangbuster exposure and growth for the WEC and sportscars as a whole. Yes, there will be some extra eyes, just like there were for Daytona, but the idea that Fred helping Toyota curbstomp a bunch of privateers with teething issues will generate MASSIVE GAMECHANGING GROWTH is pretty funny. I mean, we're still reeling from all the massive exposure Mark Webber gave the series, right?
Prediction: Alonzomania will peak at LeMans when his car drops out from the lead in hour 17 and by Fuji, nobody not associated with Toyota will find all of the hoopla and schedule-screwing worthwhile. |
|
|
12 Feb 2018, 14:03 (Ref:3800721) | #1748 | |||
Race Official
Veteran
Join Date: Oct 2007
Posts: 15,654
|
Quote:
Similarly, do you know the list of drivers who are going to be inconvenienced by the date shift? |
|||
|
12 Feb 2018, 15:28 (Ref:3800728) | #1749 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,449
|
nm.
Last edited by Coach Ep; 12 Feb 2018 at 15:30. Reason: only vaguely IMSA related. |
|
|
12 Feb 2018, 17:11 (Ref:3800742) | #1750 | |
Veteran
Join Date: Aug 2015
Posts: 1,955
|
Is Ford going to use the darker red/blue livery all year long? In both WEC and IMSA?
|
|
|
|
|
Similar Threads | ||||
Thread | Thread Starter | Forum | Replies | Last Post |
GTE / GTLM 2018, on the way to a new GT1 era | hondafan37 | ACO Regulated Series | 540 | 11 Jan 2019 15:04 |
[WEC] BMW confirmed in GTE in 2018 | AkioAsakura95 | ACO Regulated Series | 264 | 13 Sep 2017 16:52 |
2018 New Manufacturers | GTRMagic | Australasian Touring Cars. | 60 | 28 Nov 2016 03:56 |
Hockenheim secures new deal until 2018 | jab | Formula One | 13 | 2 Oct 2009 00:25 |