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Someone actually raised an interesting question on Facebook will the driver need to relearn how to drive this type of vehicle as compared to a high downforce prototype or open wheeler
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speaking of which, have any drivers been named?
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Just out of curiosity, who is funding this whole experiment? Panoz, Highcroft, AAR, or a combo of the three?
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Highcroft pulled its HPD last year due to lack of funds, so I suspect nothing is coming from Duncan Dayton's pocket. I'd think it's Panoz + AAR with Panoz providing the bulk of the funding.
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I want to understand the logic here because if it works that's awesome. However, A.) all cars have two (larger) wheels up front, and B.) do the tires being close together provide greater turning ability? I've always thought that the wider the wheel base the greater the car can suppress body roll. If this thing lifts one of the tires under hard cornering, there isn't a lot left in contact with the track.
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The lack of funding thing seems a little suspect, I kind of went with the conspiracy theory that relations between Highcroft and HPD soured when Highcroft were trying to get the gig to run the R15's last year...
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I won't pretend to understand the physics, but I will pretend I can guess why it works. The DeltaWing is a much lighter vehicle than a 900kg prototype. So in theory, you won't need as much grip to get the car to begin turning. Michelin knows rubber, and they know how to build rubber that allows a car to turn. The designer of the Dw is an experienced racer(not a driver per se but involved in racing) He should be amply capable of punching numbers into a calculator and determining how big a tire needs to be to exact X amount of turning force. This all sounds well and good, but I could say the exact same thing about the AMR1. So it probably will at least be fairly fast...but whether it can approach the limits a current proto does remains to be seen. Will it turn? Yes. Will it be competitive? Dunno. dh |
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did Marco Andretti have to re-learn his driving when he jumped into a low downforce high torque DP for the first time in the darkness at the Rolex this year? The answer to all is yes. But the amount of re-education does not seem to be that great. DTM and Rallye drivers compete at Le Mans. Marco jumped into a type of car he had never even sat in before and managed to post times close to his team's optimums in a fairly short order. A car is a car. Skilled pilots seem to be able to move from format to format without suffering a huge penalty. Imagine how the first turbo drivers felt, they had to learn to press the throttle well before any previous experience would tell them it's time to mash the pedal. It probably caused some discomfort at first...but most elite drivers appear to be quite capable of learning the individual quirks of any car. I would hazard a guess that it may take longer to suss out a cutting edge setup than the time a driver takes to learn the feel of the car. |
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How would AAR be putting any money into this project, isn't their only source of income the Alligators, which I don't think are generating the amount needed to fund an LMP?
While I do understand that experienced drivers can cope, this thing seems like it will have a different feel then most anything else the driver may have experienced. I believe it will work, in the sense that it will work, at least much better then a total failure, but I don't believe it is the way forward (gawd, I hope not, I don't want more of these) because it really is more a freak and really offers nothing to advance race or road car tech, that could not have been done in a more conventional format. I still believe the biggest odd factor here will be braking, it seems like it will need a huge bias to the rear. |
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When the D-Wing was originally proposed as an IndyCar alternative, Bowlby was looking at a different aero concept from the traditional open wheel package of front and rear wings and incorporating a smaller capacity engine. So what they're trying to achieve is a viable alternative to the current model. When it was rejected by IndyCar, they took a second bite of the cherry and the ACO accepted it. Personally I had mixed feelings about the D-Wing but now it's been entered in Le Mans, let's give them a chance and see what they can achieve. |
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in answer to my driver question, Marino Franchitti named on Highcroft's Facebook page as having signed to drive.
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Do the 56th entries have to name three drivers too? Or could they go 2 or 4 seen as it's outside the regs?
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I too am looking forward to seeing what it can do on track. And I'd like to point out that it's much better looking than the yet-to-be-built electric Courage or the ginourmous Green GT... even though it looks like a kcid.
Here's a pic of the Green GT. Its dimensions are 1.2 meter high and over 5 meters long!! http://images.caradisiac.com/images/...nce-252683.jpg |
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Just had a bit of a brainwave, for people who complain about the looks of the Deltawing: yes, I'm about to commit an act of heresy by bringing F1 into the mix, but just look at the 1983 Brabham BT52. Look strictly at the body shape, compare the two and tell me there is no similarity.
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