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Old 7 Feb 2018, 07:12 (Ref:3799218)   #16
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Has this been confirmed?
There was some fairly damning evidence in the coverage that suggested the flag marshall was not at his post at the time the Marc Mazda collided with the wall, and the Audi colliding with both. Said marshall did not display a yellow flag until the Mercedes reached the scene some time later.

Slowing cars down, would go over just as well as altering the track.

It could possibly be justified if cars were hitting V-Max through that section, but nothing reasonably quick actually is.
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Old 7 Feb 2018, 09:04 (Ref:3799248)   #17
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I suggest speed humps or declaring the area a school zone... that would make the govt happy.
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Old 7 Feb 2018, 09:13 (Ref:3799249)   #18
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There was some fairly damning evidence in the coverage that suggested the flag marshall was not at his post at the time the Marc Mazda collided with the wall, and the Audi colliding with both. Said marshall did not display a yellow flag until the Mercedes reached the scene some time later.

Slowing cars down, would go over just as well as altering the track.

It could possibly be justified if cars were hitting V-Max through that section, but nothing reasonably quick actually is.
Too hard to see on the footage, but there definitely appears to be a manned flag point well before the stalled car.

You can see a yellow being waved but only just due to the long lens...

CAMS have stated they were happy with the standard of Marshalling...incident investigation by the stewards may show otherwise but I doubt it...

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Old 7 Feb 2018, 13:02 (Ref:3799315)   #19
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The modern LED light panels mentioned earlier in the thread that Iíve experienced are very bright, can be sited in places where it wouldnít be safe for a marshal to be flagging, and be closer to the driverís eye line. In my opinion, they can be great safety aid, but.....

They still have to be triggered by a marshal or RC.

Drivers still have to take notice of / obey the signal.

The latter can be the tricky bit.....
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Old 8 Feb 2018, 04:47 (Ref:3799459)   #20
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Why not take you foot off the throttle to go around the corner, I mean seriously there are crash's at every track and every corner. Sometimes pushing a bit too hard will send you sideways into the fence.

BUT

I do agree with the yellow warning light in the car which "May" have reduced the speed of second incident.
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Old 8 Feb 2018, 08:31 (Ref:3799480)   #21
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I do agree with the yellow warning light in the car which "May" have reduced the speed of second incident.
A light in the car...you do know that the mount rises 600 meters? You probably don't know that radio communications can be a little iffy with all the blind spots etc...what if the bulb blows because the cars electrical system isn't perfect? I

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Old 8 Feb 2018, 08:39 (Ref:3799483)   #22
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Ok, so we chalk it up to just one of those things, and learn nothing from it?
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Old 8 Feb 2018, 10:01 (Ref:3799493)   #23
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Track was recently approved by the FIA. However thats should be a reason to stop any improvements

We must be wary of jumping to any conclusions too early.

Would appear to need some improvement in signalling at minimum though
there are parts of the track across the top that need attention,yes FIa says ok, a bit like monaco,historic reasons,

there is room for improvement.
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Old 8 Feb 2018, 10:07 (Ref:3799495)   #24
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The second crash was a signalling (or lack thereof) problem.

The time it will take before CAMS decides to make some improvements, will give you an idea on how long it'll take before they eventually implement something like a Code 60. Probably never.

In general terms, Supercars have been the main catalyst for changes in track safety, and the procedures around it, for the last little while. CAMS will continue to sit on their hands until they're forced to make a change. The only time they even look like they're being proactive, is when there's money to be made.
one thing Cams dont like, is some one other than the CAMS appointed person suggesting an improvement.

Been there , wouldn't listen to trackside marshalls. So we waited for the Americans to arrive, problem fixed in 5 mins.
Cannot tell Supercars or Cams that there is a problem , or line of sight for flag points.
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There was some fairly damning evidence in the coverage that suggested the flag marshall was not at his post at the time the Marc Mazda collided with the wall, and the Audi colliding with both. Said marshall did not display a yellow flag until the Mercedes reached the scene some time later.
I would hardly call what was shown on TV as damning evidence? One camera view which primarily is focusing on the crashed cars does not show us anywhere near enough.

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Slowing cars down, would go over just as well as altering the track.
The track doesn't need changing if the cars are slower. Much cheaper to slow the cars than change the track too
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A light in the car...you do know that the mount rises 600 meters? You probably don't know that radio communications can be a little iffy with all the blind spots etc...what if the bulb blows because the cars electrical system isn't perfect? I

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Im saying the Yellow Warning light might be a quicker or another alternative than a yellow flag in this instance. No flag marshall would have got their flag out in that instance to stop the crash. But a change in track is a bit over the top also. Racing is dangerous.

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I'd have to agree with Woolley's suggestion in the 12 Hour thread of moving the outside wall back, together with using the right type of barrier, to reduce the chances of a car ending up stopped in the middle of the track. Signalling upgrades are a must of course too.

Plus amend the regulations to provide penalties that bite for any driver not responding to flags, and use them. After all there was a crash behind the safety car a few years back in the 1000 that was completely unpenalised!
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I'd have to agree with Woolley's suggestion in the 12 Hour thread of moving the outside wall back, together with using the right type of barrier, to reduce the chances of a car ending up stopped in the middle of the track. Signalling upgrades are a must of course too.

Plus amend the regulations to provide penalties that bite for any driver not responding to flags, and use them. After all there was a crash behind the safety car a few years back in the 1000 that was completely unpenalised!
The thing is...if you widen, and probably make it faster across the top...then you are likely to move the danger point to Skyline, The Dipper etc

Maybe modifying the brow at Reid Park or so could make the approach less "blind"...but really? A lot of people here seem to be overthinking this...I say again, how many THOUSANDS of laps, and HUNDREDS of drivers have passed through this section unscathed
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Old 8 Feb 2018, 23:14 (Ref:3799723)   #29
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Flashing lights, double waved flags, LED panels.

When the driver is concentrating hard looking for grates and apexes and turn ins it's all irrelevant.

It's a dangerous joint and will stay that way.

Like Eau Rouge. And the Corkscrew, and Siberia, and Casino Square, and all of Monza......
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Could we flatten out the rise in the track thus giving clearer visability
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