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Old 23 May 2007, 11:29 (Ref:1919474)   #51
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All the Marches were second hand as far as I've been able to tell. A Ralt RT1 was bought new by Cicale but even Trueman's "822" in 1982 was a 812.
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Old 23 May 2007, 11:49 (Ref:1919491)   #52
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u are not quite correct Mr Brown 1 822 was soldnew direct in 83 for can am
1 802 car is actually the march 77st car
maybe we need to create the exact true list

toleman did sell some ex f2 race cars to usa i beleive the tolemans rt2`s went
i dont think new lola (nee toleman) cars went
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Old 24 May 2007, 02:00 (Ref:1919993)   #53
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Does anyone know where the stampped number would be found on the tub because we've had this tub completely torn apart by one of the best shops in the western U.S. and they were unable to find any identifying marks. Is it possible that at some point the car was in a wreck that the section of the tub with the I.D. marks had to be replaced?
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Old 24 May 2007, 08:53 (Ref:1920118)   #54
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Does anyone know where the stampped number would be found on the tub because we've had this tub completely torn apart by one of the best shops in the western U.S. and they were unable to find any identifying marks. Is it possible that at some point the car was in a wreck that the section of the tub with the I.D. marks had to be replaced?
It is quiet likely that this might have happened. Especially if the tub number is somewhere round the front bulkhead.

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Old 24 May 2007, 09:02 (Ref:1920125)   #55
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I googled.

There's a description here of where the tub number is found:

http://www.race-cars.com/carsold/mar...1/802m01ss.htm
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Old 27 May 2007, 01:01 (Ref:1921846)   #56
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I just checked all over the car and there are no identifying marks on it at all.
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Old 6 Jun 2007, 17:54 (Ref:1930469)   #57
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Another update, additions in red:

802-1 Ron Dennis 1980 - Japan 1981 ... 'Nickgoj' 2006
802-2 Ron Dennis 1980 - Unknown in 1981 - Norimasa Sakamoto (Japan) 1982 - Hitoshi Ogawa (Japan) 1983
802-3 works 1980 - Japan 1981
802-4 works 1980 - loaned to Japan 1981
802-5 ICI/Fabi 1980 - Japan 1981
802-6 ICI/Thackwell 1980 - Daw, South Africa 1981 - Van Rooyen, Charlton, Goddard ... tub used to repair 802-7 mid '84.
802-7 works/Winkelhock 1980 - Krottenberger, South Africa 1981 - Hart, Scheckter, Taylor, Baker, Critchfield, Bryan, to the UK 1987 ... Roy Woodhouse (Rover turbo; destroyed).
802-8 Hotz/Studer 1980 - Hotz/rentacar 1981 ... Interserie 1983-1986
802-9 Japan 1980
802-10 Japan 1980
802-11 Hotz/Mader 1980 (did not appear in F2)
802-12 Hotz/Lienhard 1980 - Lista/Lienhard/Rottengatter 1981
802-13 Project Four Racing 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken 1982 - Lou Infante (Can-Am) 1982 - Jerry Molnar 1983-84 ... NZ 2006
802-14 Hotz/Hotz (- Lista/Straehl) 1980
802-15 Hotz/Schnarwiler 1980 - Harald Brutschin 1981 - Konrad T-car 1982
802-16 Ron Dennis 1980 (almost certainly written off by de Cesaris during the season)
802-17 Ron Dennis 1980 - Paul Smith 1981 ... for sale 2006
802-18 Ron Dennis 1980 - Douglas & Gavin 1981 - EB Lunken (Can-Am) 1982-83
802-19 Hotz 1980 - Lienhard T-car 1981 - Konrad 1982
802-20 Mike Earle Racing 1980 - March Racing T-car 1981
802-21 Japan 1980
802-22 Kim Mather 1980 - Roy Baker 1981 - Andy Barton 1982-1984 (as AC 3000ME GT car) - Bill Paul 1985-86 to Ron Cummins and retained?
802-23 Japan 1980
802-24 Crompton 1980-1981
802-25 Lane 1980-1981 - Roger Philpott 1981-82
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Old 8 Jun 2007, 08:30 (Ref:1932005)   #58
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I have heard some info on teh project 4 802 cars going to usa to race in can am 802-13 & 18 Lunken etc
will sort out this later tonight

802-7 i think still around ( i thought he had 822 sheckter car)
802-6 info wrong -car raced in 93 94 was hillclimb sprint car that came back to Uk from ZA
sold in 1999 to a man who does not race

also the Japan cars could have raced in f2 or Grand Champion races with can am bodies

more info March 802/ 812 # 17 car with BDG sold last year? see info
This F2 car had the same monocoque and layout as the 792 but with chisel nose, front aerofoils, side radiators, and venturi sidepods though without sliding skirts. it was another superb customer car, one of the best Marches ever made, but in the Championship it was beaten by the well-funded Toleman-Hart team. March still took three victories and Teo Fabi was third in the Championship behind the Tolemans of Henton and Warwick.
This car was raced by Andrea de Cesaris, with the Team Project Four (Ron Dennis) in the European F2 Championship in 1980. It then was upgraded by the March factory to 1981 specs and was raced in the British F2 Championship by Paul Smith (BMTR).
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Old 8 Jun 2007, 14:18 (Ref:1932327)   #59
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Paul S raced the car in a few Euro F2 races in 81, NOT the British F2 series. The latter didn't exist after 1972, other than the renamed BF3000 series in 1992-93 or so.

Shame really, I reckon after AFX died in 1980, they should have introduced a F2/FAt series, rather than FAt alone. At that time, there were a good number of half-decent 'national-level' F2 drivers/teams in Britain that could have supported such a series. After 1980, these F2 cars/drivers had nowhere to go. Then again Webby never rated F2 did he?
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Old 8 Jun 2007, 14:26 (Ref:1932338)   #60
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Smiffy raced the car in Aurora as well ( i think that is what they meant by UK F2) i think yr right F2 FA series made more sense plus some f2 cars where made into FA cars for uk series
as it was the car owners either went F Libre or made GT cars with their machines
Interserie was there to run in but crossing the water and borders was not easy thing for privateers to want to do with Carnets cash deposit bonds etc
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Old 8 Jun 2007, 15:11 (Ref:1932384)   #61
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DW, Smiffy did NOT race the 802 in AFX. He didn't get it 'til 81, when AFX was dead. He did race his 782 in AFX from mid-80 on, as we know that car(s) is a can of worms ain't it !!
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Old 16 Jul 2007, 12:46 (Ref:1964383)   #62
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A couple of good 802 pics on 'The Other Place'. The Roy Baker (ex-Kim) car and 1 of the Brutschin ones. I've never seen any pics of the Baker car, OTOH he only ever raced it once or twice I reckon??
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Old 16 Jul 2007, 12:52 (Ref:1964388)   #63
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yes Smiffy did have 802 i think he did euro F2 with it
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Old 16 Jul 2007, 15:03 (Ref:1964492)   #64
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Paul Smith had 802-17 [ex Serra] in 1981.
Uprated to 1981 spec

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Old 24 Jul 2007, 00:07 (Ref:1971619)   #65
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The problem is that I don't know where to find the tub number on a 802.
Anyone??
Allen: Tub number is on driver's left below the top body work and stamped into the top of the tub.

Here are photos of March 802-3, the F2 car owned by Nick Gjomeric of Belleville, Illinois, USA and the former Hoshino car (and then painted in black and some red) and before that the works test mule, painted as seen with BMW engines. Restored from a dusty relic by the very talented John Rogers Engineering of Connecticut, USA

Weekend of 7-21/22/2007, my son 11 y.o. Noah Graham Hutson trying it out for size. He's about as big as Ricardo Rodriguez was when he was 15 y.o. and beat all those California hotshoes in a Ferrari at Riverside eons ago...

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Old 24 Jul 2007, 07:28 (Ref:1971758)   #66
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The number stamped on the chassis- is this your chassis dave?

The foto of white car is 802# 3 WITH 812 BODYWORK FITTED
Note slanting rear wing never sure if this happens with age or people lean on the wing with their elbow bragging how they won their last race
My car has slanting wing and ive learnt to lean on the other side to level it oput while i tell my last race story !!
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Old 24 Jul 2007, 09:28 (Ref:1971880)   #67
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Note slanting rear wing never sure if this happens with age or people lean on the wing with their elbow bragging how they won their last race
My car has slanting wing and ive learnt to lean on the other side to level it oput while i tell my last race story !!
A common problem easily solved by a couple of lengths of wire. Fix one end to the lower part of the end plate then stetch it over and afix on the undertray on the opposite side (i.e. left end plate to right side of undertray). The repeat for the other side. This effectively braces the wing underload and makes it a far more stable tray on which to have your lunch!

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Old 24 Jul 2007, 14:56 (Ref:1972193)   #68
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The number stamped on the chassis- is this your chassis dave?

The foto of white car is 802# 3 WITH 812 BODYWORK FITTED
Note slanting rear wing never sure if this happens with age or people lean on the wing with their elbow bragging how they won their last race
My car has slanting wing and ive learnt to lean on the other side to level it oput while i tell my last race story !!
Which one is your car Drifty, and its history?
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Old 24 Jul 2007, 15:19 (Ref:1972215)   #69
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i dont have a march f2 car i have something more unusual and rare !!
my father has 2 march F2 cars

i did race 802 # 6 car once

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Old 24 Jul 2007, 16:44 (Ref:1972271)   #70
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i dont have a march f2 car i have something more unusual and rare !!
Let me guess driftwood: a Maurer ?

Regarding the March 802, a dutch guy offered me a march 802 with a ford YB engine. Alledgedly ex-Serra and DeCesaris, project four racing.

Don't know which chassis number though, here's a pic:

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Old 24 Jul 2007, 16:50 (Ref:1972277)   #71
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Not a Maurer- it was my 1st choice as i did not want another March in the family ( a bit like having 3 ford sierras when i want to be different ) 15 years ago i could not find race cars like you can today

the 802 YB car is this a german owned car? this car is also 801 with 812 body
i had the man send me foto less nose and wing maybe the new owner
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Old 24 Jul 2007, 17:34 (Ref:1972299)   #72
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Just for the record it was a certain Mr droogsma that emailed me 2 months ago I believe, so yes perhaps it has been sold to a german.
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Old 25 Jul 2007, 21:11 (Ref:1973427)   #73
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March 812 - 8

March 812 - 8 has been found ! Still in mostly original condition, with new bodywork, it will be recomissioned that year. A friend of mine bought the car recently and received documents, telling its history as team car of Franz Konrad (1982), Karl Hasenbichler (Interserie with Audi turbo engine and closed bodywork, 1984 - 1995), private colection in Germany (restoration with orignal BMW engine, 1996 - 2007).
At the forum it was told Franz Konrad used 802's for the 1982 season. Can anyone help with that chassis ? I desperately tried to enclose pictures to my mesage ?! kind regards MB-AC
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Old 26 Jul 2007, 08:22 (Ref:1973675)   #74
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812-8 was with Joachim Ryschka after HSB had the car then it was sold to reigl who never used the car
i have the hsb 822 for sale less can am body
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Old 26 Jul 2007, 11:06 (Ref:1973819)   #75
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Don't think we've done 812s yet have we chaps?? Any lists, Allen or Chris?
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