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Old 1 Apr 2011, 14:50 (Ref:2856880)   #26
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You might be right about that. By TV complications, do you mean who has control of the TV rights for the ILMC/ALMS races? Now that you mention it, I think I heard that being a factor a few months ago. Maybe I am just imagining that though. Unfortunately, all that means is that maybe both Sebring and Petit may be in peril next year if a deal isn't struck.
The ACO takes control of TV rights for all ILMC events, given PLM was eventually included I would assume the ACO/ALMS struck a deal.

The confusion I was alluding too was the ACO insisting one broadcaster shows all ILMC events hence Motors TV couldn't show it yet Eurosport didn't have free airtime.

I would hope by next year either a compromise is reached to split rights amongst broadcasters or Eurosport have firm plans like they do for Le Mans, WTCC and IRC.

Bottom line money talks and the ILMC will have some weight behind it.
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Old 1 Apr 2011, 15:22 (Ref:2856900)   #27
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I think it is safe to say that Europe will see a reduction in events in 2012.

I wouldn't be shocked to see 2 in Europe (including LM), 2 in North America, 2 in Asia (China) and 1 in South America.

The obvious questions are whether PLM is maintained, whether South America happens at all.... If no South America, I can see 3 Europe, 2 North America, 2 Asia.

Alternatively, it is 3 Europe, 1 North America, 1 South America, 2 Asia.

The problem with weakening, or killing ALMS (I think LMS will be fine as a privateer series), is you end up with no support cars for these races. How interesting is this years Sebring, if you remove the ALMS cars from the grid?
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If ACO are going to make a real World Cup then they need more races in Asia and less in Europe. So it'll be better for LMS if ACO keep geographic balance for Cup.
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3 Europe, 2 North America, 2 Asia
That's what I would shoot if I were the ACO. It's a great balance and very realistic. As a South American I would love it, but I don't see a desire of big companies or goverments in doing a long term project. The other Asian race should be in Japan. The other two European races could rotate between Spa, Silverstone and Italy (Spa is close enough to Germany).

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Not me. There will be four races in Europe this year, so there doesn't seem to be a high repulsion for a dominant European calendar.
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Old 2 Apr 2011, 10:15 (Ref:2857256)   #29
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FIA GT had three events outside Europe in 1997 (Japan, 2x US), as did ALMS with NA in 2000 (UK, Germany & Australia). Yet these series weren't even dreaming of world championship status back then. I know that technically you'd only need three continents to actually receive the WC status from FIA -plus their blessing of course-, but I think ACO should make further effort of bringing the championship to SA or Australia - a final flyaway race to close the season.
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Old 2 Apr 2011, 14:19 (Ref:2857362)   #30
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Hopefully as well as helping manufacturers sell cars we'll see more Chinese money coming into the sport as two rounds is a big show of faith.
Sorry, that's not possible, all Chinese money is tied up bailing out US debt!

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Old 20 May 2011, 23:19 (Ref:2883318)   #32
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Not seen this before.

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With the Wankel finally headed into the dustbin of history, the Grand Am GT program is in its last season, but Murphy hears Mazda North America likes McDreamy’s marketing value, so much so that it has contracted the development of an entirely new turbo 4 cylinder for the TV doctor’s step up to LMP2 in the Intercontinental Le Mans Cup in 2012.
http://murphythebear.com/blog/index....cts/#more-1089
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Old 20 May 2011, 23:59 (Ref:2883324)   #33
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I guess I'll believe it when I see it, but it makes sense for Mazda to contest LMP2. Might this be a legitimate MZR stock based engine? Does it make much sense to use a turbo 4 in LMP2 given the current rules?
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Mazda doesn't seem to always do what makes the most sense, rather they tend to do what costs the least cents.
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Old 21 May 2011, 04:53 (Ref:2883366)   #35
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Mazda doesn't seem to always do what makes the most sense, rather they tend to do what costs the least cents.
I doubt they'd be racing if they had that mentality...
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Old 21 May 2011, 14:42 (Ref:2883519)   #36
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I guess I'll believe it when I see it, but it makes sense for Mazda to contest LMP2. Might this be a legitimate MZR stock based engine? Does it make much sense to use a turbo 4 in LMP2 given the current rules?
Could be this.

http://rumors.automobilemag.com/mazd...da2-48117.html
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I can see another why Mazda is leaving Grand Am though, in a couple of years that car will pretty much become uncompetitive with the arrival of the Ferrari Italia, Mercedes SLS AMG GT3, Lotus, and possibly the R8 LMS GT3 cars.
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Old 21 May 2011, 15:06 (Ref:2883523)   #38
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I doubt they'd be racing if they had that mentality...
Evidence suggests otherwise.
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Old 21 May 2011, 16:42 (Ref:2883549)   #39
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Just like AMR, they don't don't have the FoMoCo money/resources to help them.

AMR's VH chassis, which underpins most of their cars, was developed by Ford as was the Astons' V8 and V12s, the latter being basically 2 Mondeo V6's mated back to back.

The MZR engine was a joint project between Ford and Mazda.

All of that happened when Ford was sole owner of Aston Martin and Ford had controlling ownership of Mazda--Ford now owns 10-12% and about 20% respectivly of those companies, and though Ford probably had little to do with their race programs, FoMoCo's resources on the production car side gave a help to those programs. It may be coincidence, but AMR scaling back their DBR9 program to LM only in '07 and '08 and Mazda's downturn in the ALMS happened to conviently coincide with Ford giving up control of those companies.

Or it could be as alleged--trying to do as much as you can while spending a little as you can, which against big factories, doesn't seem to work out well from past examples.
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Could be this.
I did not realize that the MZR was being discontinued for the SKYACTIV series. I suppose an LMP2 engine could be a good way to advertise their new engine series, although I do wonder if a turbo 4 is the best way to race in LMP2.
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I only noticed it because it's mentioned by Mazda when talking about the 787B restoration, which will be demo'd at Le Mans.
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I think this is great news , and bound to eventually spinoff into either the LMS or ALMS .

Any word as to who might run this opperation ..... perhaps Dyson ?
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I only noticed it because it's mentioned by Mazda when talking about the 787B restoration, which will be demo'd at Le Mans.
Then I hope they put on a decent domo with Mr.Herbert ..... who at least knows how it should be pedelled .
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I think this is great news , and bound to eventually spinoff into either the LMS or ALMS .

Any word as to who might run this opperation ..... perhaps Dyson ?
This isn't news yet. It's just a rumor.
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Mazda doesn't seem to always do what makes the most sense, rather they tend to do what costs the least cents.
I wonder if the news that Dempsey is driving the 787B at Le Mans adds any fuel to the speculation that Mazda is forming an LMP2 program with Dempsey. Perhaps it is part of the announcement? Or just a coincidence?

BTW, this thread feels outdated now!
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Dempsey is driving it ..... Whoever thought that one up needs a frontal labotomy !!!

Shaking head in amazment !!!
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He's Mazda's PR tool in the US, what do you expect?

He didn't seem to be the safest of drivers in even in a GT car so I´m kind of surprised they´re trusting him to drive this gem.
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Dempsey is driving it ..... Whoever thought that one up needs a frontal labotomy !!!

Shaking head in amazment !!!
I agree, if you want to celebrate your achievement it would be much more special if a driver of the winning car made the laps.
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I agree, if you want to celebrate your achievement it would be much more special if a driver of the winning car made the laps.
Herbert is also taking the wheel.

EDIT: I REALLY hope Patrick does not bin the car! I would be a nervous spectator watching the exhibition when Dempsey is in the car.
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