Brian Chatfield's BMW's.

[ian beckett]

Hello everyone,does anyone have pictures and/or info' on the Group 5 320 BMW's which Brian Chatfield ran in various series during the '80/90's? Does anyone know where they may be today? I believe he had at least two and possibly even three different cars .Once again thanks in advance Ian.

[chunterer]

I suspect Alex E might be 'on the phone' as soon as he reads this!

[KA]

I might have a couple of pics somewhere- I'll have a look. Didn't he run one, sometimes both of them, in Thundersaloons?

[Alex E]

Hi Ian,
OK so here I am....Thought we already did this ??? But to refresh your memory;
He had 2 cars. one was ex Gerry Tyack, he bought it from Walkinshaw who got it from BMW. It was one of the HAT cars from `77 that Peterson & Quester drove. It was chassis # E21-R1-07, it is now in Hong Kong & the lucky owner is a fellow contributor to this forum.

The other car was chassis # E21-R1-12 & was the Junior Team car that Eddie Cheever drove through most of `77 (after he destroyed another one at the first round at Zolder..) Stuck drove it at the round when the `Juniors` were banned for bad behaviour..It then became the BMW Italia Osella car for `78.

Alex

[chunterer]

Great stuff, thanks for the refresher Alex.

As you say, we may have covered this before in the big 320 thread, so it might be worth mergeing this into that.

Ian I guess you've seen that thread? You've porbably even posted in it?

[ian beckett]

In my notes I had Chatfield acquiring his second car in '89 fitted with a turbo engine which he replaced with a turbo Sierra Cosworth motor!He is also supposed to have added a sloping rear faired in screen on similar lines to that used by Schnitzer on their lowline cars of '81 and to the Jim Busby IMSA car.This is the car I am most intrigued about but have no pictorial evidence.Thanks in advance Ian.

[driftwood]

also BC shared a car in thundersaloons with Andreas
cannot recall if andreas brought his own car over or used a BC car
i recall the Tyack car doing the Brighton speed trials when i was a sprog father ran CSL son drove the 320 and they also had a 328 frazer nash BMW car

[ian beckett]

Hello again,surely some of the users of this forum must have some pictures or knowledge of these cars? Come on guys!!!

[driftwood]

if u go to the 70 racing car photo site there are 2 BC car fotos listed there
go to Gp 5 BMW thread some info was there too

[KA]

Originally Posted by ian beckett

Hello again,surely some of the users of this forum must have some pictures or knowledge of these cars? Come on guys!!!

Pretty sure I've got pics of at least one Chatfield BMW at an early '90's Brands Thundersaloon round- I'll scan and post as soon as I can find them

[chunterer]

Yeah, me too.

I think I even posted a pic from a Donington Special Saloon race in 1985 somewhere?

If not I'll post it anyway.

[DanMinton]

Here,s one for you Ian

[ian beckett]

Thanks Dan,unfortunately lately I am having a problem enlarging thumbnails.When I click on your picture it goes to Imageshack which opens but with a blank where the picture should be.Anyone got any solutions,but in non expert terms!!! Many thanks again,Ian.

[driftwood]

it opened for me but i did have problems with other fotos the Mintons hosted i then looked at left of page saw thumbnails and clicked on the listing there

[DanMinton]

Dont know what the problem is there, you should be able to click on the thumbnail ,go to image shack and save the full size pic to your computer.

Ill try and host it somewhere else.

Dan

[DanMinton]

Try this one...hope it works chaps.

[ian beckett]

Still no luck Dan,the new box opens but only contains a red cross and the wording Car #4.Thanks very much for trying again.Ian.

[Al Weyman]

Image Shack sucks in my opinion, always trys to load some drivel or other I think we should all be discouraged from using it on this site.

[driftwood]

i like party poker!!

[DanMinton]

i like party poker!!

LOL

[DanMinton]

I could always send it to your email Ian, just pm me .

Weve got loads of wendy wools special saloon races on Video which i will convert soon to mpeg or avi files when i get the chance.

[ian beckett]

I eventually got Dan's photo and found that it was not a 320 but a 2002 which I did not know Chatfield had ever owned.Anything from anybody about the 2002? Thanks to Dan for his perseverance! Ian.

[daflava84]

Hi everyone!

First of all I'd like to introduce myself: My Name is Flo, I live in Germany an I'm currently trying to becom an engineer on the TU of Munich.

My great love are the grop 5 saloon cars and so I guess it was no wonder to find this board (which, to my opinion is a very fine platform for racecars) sooner or later

@Ian: We've already 'met' some time ago aboard the german GT-Eins-Board and I guess I might have some ideas about this cars history... (I know, only facts count, but it is very difficult for a 24 year old student to get near to a "wagenpass" or something equal... )

First of all the car is pretty likely the one seen on the 2007 Goodwood-Festival and which is currently for sale on racecarsdirect.com
The owner might (the web sometimes is a doubtable source...) be Alex Elliott in Sussex (UK)

Furthermore it is also pretty likely that this car is in fact an original Schnitzer-2002 turbo, raced in 1977 in the german DRM. Why?

Especially the rear-fenders led me to this conclusion. As far as I know only the Schnitzer-"works"-cars had this fenders (of course they were an independent tuner). They were introduced after the first races in 1977 and were only mounted on the Schnitzer-cars... (schnitzer also made customer cars for guys like Karl Oppitzhauser - who later owned an original-schnitzer-car - or Franz Lassnig, but they had differerntly shaped fenders!)

The car we see here should have then passed into the hands of Franz Albert, who gave it a run from 1978 until 1981 in severl rounds of DRM and other national events)

This leeds me to my second hint on the cars history: The front-wing.
As far as I remember Franz Albert gave the car somewaht around 1978/79 a new shovel-nose front-wing, whioch reminds me pretty much of the one seen on the pic above and the ones below. I should have historic picture-reference somewhere on my HD - I'll do some digging later (The car also became a new rear-wing which might explain the slightly different shape of the current wing compared to the Schnitzers own restored car...)

If all that is right, then the car was originally driven by Harald Ertl and Peter Hennige in 1977...

(The Schnitzer's restored car- clothed correctly in the Klaus Ludwig dress, is by the way the car that was passed to Sepp Manhalter in 1978 and later, I guess 1979 to Karl Oppitzhauser)

Here some pics found on flickr.com from the mentioned Goodwood'07

http://www.flickr.com/photos/jsanford/666043255/
http://www.flickr.com/photos/m3evo2/601601544/

regards,

Flo

P.S.: Sorry for my english...

[driftwood]

the 320 gruppe 5 DRM cars are nicer looking than the 2002 series
so much so that i bought 1!
anyway we do have Grp 5 320 thread i have asked for info on my car ex Gustav Fischer 1978 raced car what can you find for me car was dayglo red in colour
i have tried to contact fischer tuning as they did sponsor Gustavs 2002 gp 5 car in 76 but i had no reply
maybe as you are a fluent german speaker you could call then and ask IF Gustav fischer is related to the tuning garage

[kurtiejjj]

Kevan, I see you still haven't found out anything new about your Fischer car. I think you should try contacting Jörg Obermoser via his website, he was racing a 320 around the same time as you know. Perhaps he can shed some light on Gustav Fischer as they must undoutably have met at some stage.