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Old 22 Mar 2018, 13:50 (Ref:3809900)   #26
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Who says it is legally murky, Supercars? There are many brands of cars running in other series and no one seems legally challenged so why is permission required?
It is simple risk mitigation, I said it is unlikely but it is not impossible.

If you are taking a production car and modifying it and racing, then probably nothing they can do, but if you build a bespoke clone of a road car for racing, then I'd suggest it is safer to get permission.
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Old 22 Mar 2018, 15:23 (Ref:3809923)   #27
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Old 22 Mar 2018, 20:30 (Ref:3809973)   #28
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This is legally murky, a car manufacturer could stop it if they wanted to, either by express banning the use of the brand, or by copyright/patent methods.

It would be a bit unusual but it is legally possible, and someone could spend a lot of money to end up not being able to race it.

What if someone builds a Ford and it sucks, and runs around the back of the grid?
Yes, the lawyers are very busy handing out subpoenas in the Sports Sedan paddocks across the country
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Old 22 Mar 2018, 20:32 (Ref:3809974)   #29
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Well Supercars better pay for the homologation of the Mondeo themselves. If they are too cheap to do so, a Commodore one make series will be their product...
Hopefully something will happen

No engine upgrade required which will make it easier
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Old 22 Mar 2018, 23:35 (Ref:3809999)   #30
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Yes, the lawyers are very busy handing out subpoenas in the Sports Sedan paddocks across the country
Sports Sedans is not a premier category promoting the brands like Supercars, nor could they be seen to be PROFITING from the brands.
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Old 22 Mar 2018, 23:43 (Ref:3810001)   #31
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Sports Sedans is not a premier category promoting the brands like Supercars, nor could they be seen to be PROFITING from the brands.
MARC are though
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Old 22 Mar 2018, 23:51 (Ref:3810005)   #32
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MARC are though
They and Aussie racing cars would be most vulnerable I would guess.
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 00:03 (Ref:3810006)   #33
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They and Aussie racing cars would be most vulnerable I would guess.
And those Marc cars have existed for more then a few years now yet no lawsuit forthcoming
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 00:07 (Ref:3810008)   #34
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MARC gets around IP laws by taking Focus panels and bolting them to their own chassis, thus not "replicating" a Focus.
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 00:07 (Ref:3810009)   #35
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And those Marc cars have existed for more then a few years now yet no lawsuit forthcoming
They are also not prime time racing like Supercars.

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Old 23 Mar 2018, 00:31 (Ref:3810014)   #36
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MARC gets around IP laws by taking Focus panels and bolting them to their own chassis, thus not "replicating" a Focus.
But the new MARC II mustang look alike doesnt do that
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 06:43 (Ref:3810039)   #37
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MARC gets around IP laws by taking Focus panels and bolting them to their own chassis, thus not "replicating" a Focus.
And how is this any different from a V8 Supercar? All in sundry know it's a space frame chassis with a few panels covering it to keep the rain out.
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 08:20 (Ref:3810048)   #38
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While I agree with all of the above, do you really think someone with the background that RP has, would want to source cars from RD, instead of doing a lot of the weekday stuff themselves? I reckon he'd sooner sell up.
Same could be said for the new co-owners of WAU. Will they happily remain a customer to 888? Especially once the TTV6 comes online.

Maybe lean on Detroit for permission to run right hook Camaros?
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 09:32 (Ref:3810053)   #39
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Surely this is the confirmation the series needs that it's past it's used by date?

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Old 23 Mar 2018, 09:38 (Ref:3810054)   #40
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The problem the series has is that it appears the fans want to retain the status quo while new manufacturers seem to have no interest in the series as it currently stands. Someone has to adapt.

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Old 23 Mar 2018, 09:57 (Ref:3810060)   #41
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Maybe lean on Detroit for permission to run right hook Camaros? Instant crowd favorite amongst the GM faithful.
Would Supercars allow a team to run another car from the same brand since both the Commodore and the Camaro are a GM product?
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Old 23 Mar 2018, 10:15 (Ref:3810068)   #42
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Would Supercars allow a team to run another car from the same brand since both the Commodore and the Camaro are a GM product?
If and I say if. GM were ok with it, why on earth would Supercars have an issue with it?

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The problem the series has is that it appears the fans want to retain the status quo while new manufacturers seem to have no interest in the series as it currently stands. Someone has to adapt.
Precisely. Nail. Hammer. Head.
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If and I say if. GM were ok with it, why on earth would Supercars have an issue with it?
It would be like TCR with the VW, Skoda, Audi and Seat all using the same engine!
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Bingo. Great post.
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so which one earns the most money for the series? Ultimately thats where Archer will go
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Has there been an alternative model identified that manufacturers would be interested in? I think that most have no interest because it doesn't sell cars any more, at least not to people who wouldn't buy the cars anyway, plus it isn't green. I would like to be wrong about this.
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so which one earns the most money for the series? Ultimately thats where Archer will go
But if the manufacturers disappear without new ones entering then we end up with the possibility of generic cars with a generic shape and only team branding. Will the fans still stick around for that if they are already so set on walking away if the series adopted regulations which would be more attractive to manufacturers? The problem now is Ford are gone and I can't imagine current Ford teams will stick with those shapes and will for sure be seeking opportunities with other manufacturers so whether they like it or not, the legion of Ford fans are going to get a rude shock in the near future. The ship has already sailed.

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so which one earns the most money for the series? Ultimately thats where Archer will go
If you look at NASCAR, it has consistently gone with something that appeals to the fans, as ultimately it is an entertainment business, same as virtually all sports, including Supercars, AFL, NRL, Cricket etc.

F1 on the other hand, has probably gone down the path of being more appealing for manufacturers in recent years and I'm not convinced that it's been the right path. I'd suggest that sports cars and now TCR have probably gone down this route as well.

In a market the size of Oz, I suspect that the NASCAR approach generally (not the tech rules so much) makes sense but there are some big decisions to be made.
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If you look at NASCAR, it has consistently gone with something that appeals to the fans, as ultimately it is an entertainment business, same as virtually all sports, including Supercars, AFL, NRL, Cricket etc.

F1 on the other hand, has probably gone down the path of being more appealing for manufacturers in recent years and I'm not convinced that it's been the right path. I'd suggest that sports cars and now TCR have probably gone down this route as well.

In a market the size of Oz, I suspect that the NASCAR approach generally (not the tech rules so much) makes sense but there are some big decisions to be made.
I think you're right but what's different is the manufacturer names are still very loud and proud in NASCAR which helps to keep the fans interested and with the massive sponsorship opportunities and prize money makes it easier for the teams to exist as well. Supercars cant' say the same. I don't know the solution, they're already in **** with Ford gone and likely to be unrepresented in the near future and I can't see Nissan hanging around much longer, so then what? On the other hand if they open the regs to be more attractive to potential manufacturers then the fans become unhappy (but more unhappy than if there's no manufacturers represented at all?). Bit scary for the sport tbh.
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