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Priced roughly where expected - pretty much par for the course for this type of jalopy out of Europe (or Japan with Lexus).
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The QV is also top of the line.
There are lesser trims. |
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Priced above the equivalent BMW and below the equivalent Mercedes-Benz, with some very favourable reviews.
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http://apexnews.co.nz/alfa-romeo-sti...-in-supercars/
Alfa will enter if they can justify there investment to HQ seemingly |
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NASCAR manufacturers pay around $30 million and look at what F1 manufacturers pay it's not really that unreasonable and i assume it would be on par with what Holden are spending
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Ultimately, manufacturers will choose to come or go depending on a range of factors and I expect that those factors would be led by branding and linking opportunities to motor sport generally. Whether we see Alfa or other manufacturers involved in the series will be a matter of "wait and see" for a while IMHO. |
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You don't seriously think a local championship on the opposite side of the world in a smaller market like Australia can command an equal $$ investment do you? |
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Supercars fits into the Australian marketplace at its cost level and is a serious undertaking within our market but to suggest that it is an equal cost to those other series - seriously? |
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How have the required budgets been allowed swell to a level where you need $10million to enter a series that races only in Australia and a one-off in New Zealand? |
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$10mil would cover a whole program (the R&D, sponsorship, the marketing, the homologation fees, parts) for a couple of seasons.
You would think that after the first few years, the subsequent contracts would be a lot cheaper for the importer/manufacturer. |
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Exactly that's the start up costs for the first contract it would drop off after that
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But theoretically,
If the Supercars Next Gen is a cage in a car, then realistically the costs are down to the areo package and engine development. The actual vehicle base shape and platform have a standard size, re commodore witch had to adjust its length, short back doors, then why would the cost be 10mil. surely car manufactures have engines through out there range and/or now with platform sharing amongst a few European manufacturers, this would not be hard to come up with a suitable power plant. If supercars are serious in going into this direction , then why make the costs so high? Seems that they want a certain manufacture or marque , and not want to go like the BTCC In the next ten years Aust will be over V8 cars. Just look at what is selling . |
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It is a question of how much branding a manufacturer might like to see on a race car. Before this year, 888 won with a Red Bull car, that's what the teev bods call it, its what the newspapers call it, it's what we see on screen. Holden sometimes gets a look in, but the team was called Red Bull Racing Australia, and referred to as that for years... If a manufacturer/importer wants a Kia or Alfa Romeo or Hyundai or Renault or Honda or Lexus or Subaru Supercar, do they want their cars known as Mobil 1 Racing or Shell V Power Racing or Bottle O Racing, rather than their manufacturer brand name. And of course how many cars they want to support.. The thing that interests me about the NisMoAu squad is that from the outside, the car liveries (except #23) makes little reference to Nissan in their livery design, other than a windscreen banner. $10m might be underselling it... |
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