ALMS 2012 Discussion - Page 96

kyoung · 6 May 2012, 22:22 (Ref:3070416)

One man’s argument is another man’s conversation; Chianna/Maelochs have done nothing but stated an opinion, ascribing malice to forum comments is silly. Everyone here pretty much knows we have no control over how race series are run, that doesn’t mean we can’t vent/voice an opinion about it; hell this is a public racing forum. OK; this BoP subject comes up a lot and it does get tiring; I think everyone here acknowledges that, but the reason it does is because it does affect the outcome of races. Just looking at a few avatars it’s pretty easy to see we all have our alliances to different marques/teams and it gets frustrating when you think/know your team is on the wrong end of BoP. Some just choose to accept it as business as usual, some thinks it’s requires for parity, and some think it just muddies the water and ruins any chance of real racing. Forums are for expressing opinions, if you don’t agree make a counterpoint or just walk around the spill, you will be a lot happier.

Rodger Davies · 6 May 2012, 22:28 (Ref:3070417)

Maelochs; I don't have time to post a lengthy reply right now, and I don't agree with every part of what you said, but it's a well balanced post above and I enjoyed reading it thanks.

**joeb** · 9 May 2012, 00:36 (Ref:3071503)

Some ALMS news this evening:
PR1 has obtained an additional LMPC - photo here but no word on when it will race or who will drive.

Also Dagys has tweeted that the first Audi R8 LMS Ultra has hit the US courtesy of Elton Julian's DragonSpeed team. No word on where this will race.

FstrthnU · 11 May 2012, 22:35 (Ref:3072846)

http://auto-racing.speedtv.com/artic...terey-noteboo/
AMR says they'd like to come to Petit Le Mans this year, but that is dependent on whether they get more funding from Lowe's

Also, Elton Julian says his Dragonspeed team (just got an Audi R8 LMS Ultra) would enter ALMS IMMEDIATELY if the IMSA approves GT3 cars

broadrun96 · 12 May 2012, 14:59 (Ref:3073078)

Anybody else think GT3s will be at Petit at the latest? Really feel like a good number of ALMS guys will be at the ELMS debut of the GT3s to see what balancing they use and the relative pace for themselves.

Jonerz · 12 May 2012, 15:25 (Ref:3073087)

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadrun96

Anybody else think GT3s will be at Petit at the latest? Really feel like a good number of ALMS guys will be at the ELMS debut of the GT3s to see what balancing they use and the relative pace for themselves.

That's the feeling I get. It will be billed as an International GT showcase. GT, the American debut of GT3, another appearance for Porsche's GT3R hybrid complete with factory drivers, and the title decider in GTC's farewell race.

Oh and there will be a handful of super fast, cool prototypes lapping amongst them.

Chris

broadrun96 · 13 May 2012, 23:35 (Ref:3074076)

Wouldn't matter to me if it's just the MM/Dyson show in P1, if cars are circling Road Atlanta I will be there tues night (in line) thru sunday. But getting a chance to see the GT3 SLS/R8/MP4-12C etc on track is just a bonus, won't quite balance the lack of Audi/Toyota but it's not like the ALMS P1 guys would be close to them.
Also, any new developments in the pursuit of Scott Tucker? Always seems like there's claims of seizure of equipment and sealing the shop but there the team is at the track the last two races.

Dyson Mazda · 14 May 2012, 22:10 (Ref:3074608)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

That's the feeling I get. It will be billed as an International GT showcase. GT, the American debut of GT3, another appearance for Porsche's GT3R hybrid complete with factory drivers, and the title decider in GTC's farewell race.

Oh and there will be a handful of super fast, cool prototypes lapping amongst them.

Chris

You would have to think that the Delta Wing would be there and an open invitation to Porsche to run the 918

broadrun96 · 14 May 2012, 23:03 (Ref:3074625)

What's the over/under on classes at PLM? I'm thinking at least 7 or 8; P1, P2, PC, GTE, GTC, DW, GT3/GTU(nclassified), and potentially EXP for 911 GT-H/918, or the hybrid prototype left out at LM. Might actually need to keep Andy's guide in my pocket trackside just to keep up with who's who.

**joeb** · 15 May 2012, 01:30 (Ref:3074642)

Quote:

Originally Posted by broadrun96

What's the over/under on classes at PLM? I'm thinking at least 7 or 8; P1, P2, PC, GTE, GTC, DW, GT3/GTU(nclassified), and potentially EXP for 911 GT-H/918, or the hybrid prototype left out at LM. Might actually need to keep Andy's guide in my pocket trackside just to keep up with who's who.

I was thinking of Petit entries today too. And I was wondering if any ELMS P2 teams might join the fray. I know it would be a good chunk of money to bring the cars over, but they have a pretty good shot at not only winning class but winning Petit overall. That has to be enticing to a few of the drivers/teams.

I too would like to see Porsche run one of their hybrids. The GT3 issue is going to be a tough one. Will the GT(E) teams fight against their inclusion? or will they be welcomed as long as they aren't faster? Lots of questions....

Jonerz · 15 May 2012, 03:56 (Ref:3074649)

My assumption for the Petit grid:

P1
6 Muscle Milk Pickett Racing HPD ARX-03a
16 Dyson Racing Team Lola B12/66 Mazda
20 Dyson Racing Team Lola B12/66 Mazda (Abdul Al Faisal?, Steven Kane??, Humaid Al Masood???)
xx Dyson Racing Team Lola B11/66 (Michael Marsal, Eric Lux, ???) I know their deal was just for the sprints, but do they put the money together to try to win a big one?

P2
2 Libra Racing Radical SR9 Ford
12 Autocon something-or-other (???)
27 Dempsey Racing Lola B12/83 Judd
37 Conquest Endurance Morgan Nissan
54 Black Swan Racing Lola B12/8x Honda
055 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX-03b
95 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX-03b
x Libra Racing Radical SR9 Ford (???)

GT
01 ESM Ferrari 458 Italia
02 ESM Ferrari 258 Italia
3 Corvette Racing Chevrolet Corvette C6.R
4 Corvette Racing Chevrolet Corvette C6.R
17 Team Falken Tire Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
23 Lotus Alex Job Racing Lotus Evora GTE
44 Flying Lizard Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
45 Flying Lizard Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
48 Paul Miller Racing Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
55 BMW Team RLL BMW M3 GT2
56 BMW Team RLL BMW M3 GT2
62 Risi Competizione Ferrari 458 Italia (???)
90 Riley Technologies SRT Viper GTS-R
91 Riley Technologies SRT Viper GTS-R

Invitational GT/Unclassified
32 GMG Racing Audi R8 lms (???)
81 Dragon Speed Audi R8 ultra (???) - based on their Daytona 24 race number with the Ferrari.
911 PMNA/"Flying Lizard" Porsche GT3R Hybrid (or 918) (???)

Invitational Prototype/Unclassified
00 Highcroft Racing Deltawing Nissan

PC
05 Core Autosport
06 Core Autosport
7 Merchant Services Racing
8 Merchant Services Racing
9 RSR Racing
18 Performance Tech Motorsports
25 SiliconTech Dempsey Racing
52 PR1 Motorsports
xx PR1 Motorsports (???)

GTC
11 JDX Racing
22 Alex Job Racing
24 Competition Motorsports
30 NGT Motorsports
31 NGT Motorsports
34 Green Hornet Racing
66 TRG
68 TRG
77 Magnus Racing (???)

Anybody have theories on what the GT3 spec cars that would be "willing to enter the ALMS" are and where they come from? This is assuming GT3 is a route the ALMS is considering at all. The ALMS might be looking at a different alternative to bringing in GT3 rules and simply working to allow GT3 spec cars to be modified for GT competition, hoping that helps BMW stick around and teams like GMG enter GT with GT3-based Audis.

Chris

FstrthnU · 15 May 2012, 04:03 (Ref:3074651)

You can add the Aston Martin Vantage GTE as a ??? (looking for funding, they want to go) as well as a 2nd Alex Job Lotus Evora as ???.

It's also not too late for wild cards like the talked-about BMW Z4 GTE to appear.

Articus · 15 May 2012, 05:07 (Ref:3074653)

Would really hope for a Z4 GTE of some sort. The M3 is getting a bit dated despite being only its second year of this development cycle.

How are they managing to keep up with the other guys who are running the bigger tires and more aero?

Koenigsegg · 15 May 2012, 14:48 (Ref:3074837)

Maybe United Autosports will do Petit Le Mans again in P2???

Fogelhund · 15 May 2012, 15:32 (Ref:3074863)

Autocon does not exist any more. You could say ex-Autocon drivers are still looking, but that is it.

Jonerz · 15 May 2012, 18:33 (Ref:3074927)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fogelhund

Autocon does not exist any more. You could say ex-Autocon drivers are still looking, but that is it.

Yeah, as discussed before, it is much simpler to say "Autocon" than "Burgess-McMurry-Willman-SomethingOrOther".

And is Autocon dead or is Lewis running a Trans-Am or SCCA GT-1 car?

Chris

hondafan37 · 15 May 2012, 18:53 (Ref:3074936)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

My assumption for the Petit grid:

P1
6 Muscle Milk Pickett Racing HPD ARX-03a
16 Dyson Racing Team Lola B12/66 Mazda
20 Dyson Racing Team Lola B12/66 Mazda (Abdul Al Faisal?, Steven Kane??, Humaid Al Masood???)
xx Dyson Racing Team Lola B11/66 (Michael Marsal, Eric Lux, ???) I know their deal was just for the sprints, but do they put the money together to try to win a big one?

P2
2 Libra Racing Radical SR9 Ford
12 Autocon something-or-other (???)
27 Dempsey Racing Lola B12/83 Judd
37 Conquest Endurance Morgan Nissan
54 Black Swan Racing Lola B12/8x Honda
055 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX-03b
95 Level 5 Motorsports HPD ARX-03b
x Libra Racing Radical SR9 Ford (???)

GT
01 ESM Ferrari 458 Italia
02 ESM Ferrari 258 Italia
3 Corvette Racing Chevrolet Corvette C6.R
4 Corvette Racing Chevrolet Corvette C6.R
17 Team Falken Tire Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
23 Lotus Alex Job Racing Lotus Evora GTE
44 Flying Lizard Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
45 Flying Lizard Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
48 Paul Miller Racing Porsche 911 GT3 RSR
55 BMW Team RLL BMW M3 GT2
56 BMW Team RLL BMW M3 GT2
62 Risi Competizione Ferrari 458 Italia (???)
90 Riley Technologies SRT Viper GTS-R
91 Riley Technologies SRT Viper GTS-R

Invitational GT/Unclassified
32 GMG Racing Audi R8 lms (???)
81 Dragon Speed Audi R8 ultra (???) - based on their Daytona 24 race number with the Ferrari.
911 PMNA/"Flying Lizard" Porsche GT3R Hybrid (or 918) (???)

Invitational Prototype/Unclassified
00 Highcroft Racing Deltawing Nissan

PC
05 Core Autosport
06 Core Autosport
7 Merchant Services Racing
8 Merchant Services Racing
9 RSR Racing
18 Performance Tech Motorsports
25 SiliconTech Dempsey Racing
52 PR1 Motorsports
xx PR1 Motorsports (???)

GTC
11 JDX Racing
22 Alex Job Racing
24 Competition Motorsports
30 NGT Motorsports
31 NGT Motorsports
34 Green Hornet Racing
66 TRG
68 TRG
77 Magnus Racing (???)

Anybody have theories on what the GT3 spec cars that would be "willing to enter the ALMS" are and where they come from? This is assuming GT3 is a route the ALMS is considering at all. The ALMS might be looking at a different alternative to bringing in GT3 rules and simply working to allow GT3 spec cars to be modified for GT competition, hoping that helps BMW stick around and teams like GMG enter GT with GT3-based Audis.

Chris

Is there a current rumor that the Porsche 918 RSR will race PLM? and What level of performance could have this car? will be in GTE or P2 timing?

TF110 · 15 May 2012, 19:14 (Ref:3074949)

The 918 prototype is looking closer to finished product- http://www.autoblog.com/2012/05/15/p...der-prototype/

Jonerz · 15 May 2012, 19:44 (Ref:3074963)

Quote:

Originally Posted by hondafan37

Is there a current rumor that the Porsche 918 RSR will race PLM? and What level of performance could have this car? will be in GTE or P2 timing?

No, nothing out there about it being at Petit. The car above is a photoshop.

Chris

WMUCarGuy · 15 May 2012, 22:05 (Ref:3075045)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

No, nothing out there about it being at Petit. The car above is a photoshop.

Chris

It's not a photoshop, those are photographs of a real car. But I also wouldn't hold my breath for a race entry.

MagVanisher · 15 May 2012, 23:08 (Ref:3075073)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jonerz

No, nothing out there about it being at Petit. The car above is a photoshop.

Chris

Same here... It won't happen because it's too expensive to drive and maintain.

hondafan37 · 16 May 2012, 04:56 (Ref:3075112)

Quote:

Originally Posted by WMUCarGuy

It's not a photoshop, those are photographs of a real car. But I also wouldn't hold my breath for a race entry.

I also want to see the car racing.
Analyzing the information: The car was shown in Detroit 2011 like a Racing Lab., But the car never raced and I do not know of private testing
http://www.porsche.com/microsite/det...rnational.aspx

The question is: Could the 918 RSR serve as a basis for LMP1 in 2014? If the answer is yes then maybe will see the car in some races.

Spyderman · 16 May 2012, 07:51 (Ref:3075145)

Porsche plan (the last time we heard ) to request to enter an "official" non-LMP entry in the 2013 Le Mans in order to serve as an experience gathering trial run for their team before entering the 2014 Le Mans.
Perhaps they plan on running it there.

arakis · 16 May 2012, 07:54 (Ref:3075148)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Porsche plan (the last time we heard ) to request to enter an "official" non-LMP entry in the 2013 Le Mans in order to serve as an experience gathering trial run for their team before entering the 2014 Le Mans.
Perhaps they plan on running it there.

doesn't the Audi quarto do that for them?

Victor_RO · 16 May 2012, 08:04 (Ref:3075153)

Quote:

Originally Posted by Spyderman

Porsche plan (the last time we heard ) to request to enter an "official" non-LMP entry in the 2013 Le Mans in order to serve as an experience gathering trial run for their team before entering the 2014 Le Mans.
Perhaps they plan on running it there.

I thought their mooted plan for 2013 for that official entry was a full Porsche Motorsport factory entry in GTE-Pro.

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