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Old 30 May 2017, 01:42 (Ref:3737270)   #4216
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The figure of 744K is INCORRECT

The buyers premium is 15 % plus GST ie 16.5%

16.5% of 600K is 99K

So total would be 699K


The figure of $744K may in fact be correct - there were a number of fees on top of the $600K sell price - one of which was the buyers premium.
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 03:36 (Ref:3757661)   #4217
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Some pondering thoughts that came to me after reading this weeks "Saturday Sleuthing" about the Paul Morris Diet Coke E30 M3 Evo from the 1993 ATCC

- Obviously the car has competed in Heritage Touring Cars in it's 1992 DTM specifications & livery...but presumebly it would not be able to race in it's 1993 ATCC specifications and Diet Coke livery in HTC... As ridiculous as this might sound, is there any scope in the regulations for the "Australia 5-Litre Touring Car Association" or the burgeoning historic class in the "Kuhmo Series" for the 1993-spec ATCC M3's to compete with the V8s?

- The 2.5ltr E36 bodied BMW that Paul Morris drove at the 1992 AGP. Obviously not a homologated Group A car, it AFAIK was entered in the Group A class for the 1992 AGP event (as opposed to the HRT VPs, Brock VP, Seton & DJR EB's that were in their own class that weekend)... does that technically make this car eligible to compete in that spec in HTC should the bodyshell be found & converted back?
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 05:27 (Ref:3757664)   #4218
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Wasn't that E36 one of the VLM cars from the BTCC?
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 05:30 (Ref:3757665)   #4219
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- Obviously the car has competed in Heritage Touring Cars in it's 1992 DTM specifications & livery...but presumebly it would not be able to race in it's 1993 ATCC specifications and Diet Coke livery in HTC... As ridiculous as this might sound, is there any scope in the regulations for the "Australia 5-Litre Touring Car Association" or the burgeoning historic class in the "Kuhmo Series" for the 1993-spec ATCC M3's to compete with the V8s?
Why would you want to race it with a smaller 2L engine anyway?
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 05:51 (Ref:3757666)   #4220
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Wasn't that E36 one of the VLM cars from the BTCC?
Yes.

I think it was a bit short sighted of CAMS not to allow them to run the E36 with the 2.5 litre for '93.
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 09:47 (Ref:3757691)   #4221
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Why would you want to race it with a smaller 2L engine anyway?
2.5ltr engine

People race Corolla's in HTC against GTRs, so I don't see why, if someone owned one of the 1993 Diet Coke E30's and wanted to race them in the '93-spec with Diet Coke colours, they would be put off running with 5ltr cars.

I don't really see anyone wanting to do it, it is more a question of where do these cars fit into the historic scene should someone want to run one?
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 10:05 (Ref:3757693)   #4222
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Yeah, as '93-spec cars, they fall into no-man's land.
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I don't really see anyone wanting to do it, it is more a question of where do these cars fit into the historic scene should someone want to run one?
Is there an appetite for an Australian historic Super Touring series? The British series seem like a lot of fun, and even includes 2001 spec ETCC (or was it called ESTC?) 156s that never raced in Britain.

Anyway, I think it is more appealing to run your E30 M3 in 2.5L Group A spec than 2.0L Super Tourer (or pre-Super Tourer) spec.
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 11:11 (Ref:3757698)   #4224
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The cars they ran in '93 were grandfathered DTM cars, not Group A cars.

They're not even Super Tourers.

There's no real demand for a historic Super Touring class here, as there's hardly any cars left. There's maybe 8 known cars still here, but many have vanished into thin air. Of the 8, there's maybe 4 tops, that are in working order.
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There's no real demand for a historic Super Touring class here, as there's hardly any cars left. There's maybe 8 known cars still here, but many have vanished into thin air. Of the 8, there's maybe 4 tops, that are in working order.
There is apparently a plan in the works for Super Tourers to be racing at Wakefield Park later this year. With some cars from NZ coming over, I have heard that organisers are expecting about 18-20 cars.
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Old 6 Aug 2017, 12:39 (Ref:3757708)   #4226
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Yeah, the ambition is certainly there.

It's been talked about on and off ever since the Touring Car Challenge fell over, about 10 years ago.
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There is apparently a plan in the works for Super Tourers to be racing at Wakefield Park later this year. With some cars from NZ coming over, I have heard that organisers are expecting about 18-20 cars.
There seem to be quite a few active in NZ now- We've had a few NZ-based cars come over to the UK for the Silverstone Classic in the last couple of years, and a couple of UK cars have apparently been sold to NZ owners recently
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Anyway, I think it is more appealing to run your E30 M3 in 2.5L Group A spec than 2.0L Super Tourer (or pre-Super Tourer) spec.
The point is the 1993 Diet Coke M3's didn't compete in Australia in Group A, and were not 2.0L Super Tourers in 1993...so where could you race one if you wanted to present it in it's 1993 livery?

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The cars they ran in '93 were grandfathered DTM cars, not Group A cars.
The DTM regs until the end of 1992 were heavily Group A based though, and those DTM-spec cars were allowed in the ATCC in 1991 and 1992, hence why the Morris M3 has been allowed to compete in HTC in it's 1992 DTM livery and spec.

The 1993 changes to the M3's for the ATCC seem to be an updated aero-kit, more weight and a rev-limiter.
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You mention the Melinda Price Seca was campaigned as late as 96. Do you have any recollection by who and at what meetings. Do you also remember where it was advertised for sale?
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You mention the Melinda Price Seca was campaigned as late as 96. Do you have any recollection by who and at what meetings. Do you also remember where it was advertised for sale?
Apparently the car ran at some point in '96, but I can't find any records of it. It was entered by Inspired Racing, for Melinda Price.

I recall seing it advertised in Auto Action, in the late '90s.

Nobody seems to know where it, or the sister car are. However, I believe one of them was ratted for parts to build the first Hyundai Lantra Super Tourer.
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