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View Poll Results: What should I use to lubricate the leaf springs?
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 12:54 (Ref:853557)   #1
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Lubricating Leaf Springs - do you use oil or grease?

I'm about to fit gaiters to the springs on the Ford, but note that our cousins recommend using oil rather than grease to lubricate the leaves of the springs. Having always previously used grease, I've begun to wonder which is best?

As I see it, the oil will require a lower force to shear and allow the leaves to slide over each other, and is more likely to run around keeping it all lubricated. But given the "qualities" of the standard Ford "shock absorbers", I'm wondering whether the extra friction from the grease will be of benefit?

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Old 28 Jan 2004, 14:17 (Ref:853654)   #2
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In 32,000 miles I did in mine,I never oiled or greased my Ford A springs at all, on the trials they got a regular dosing of water mud and grit.... I don't think you would notice any difference whether you left them dry, oiled them or greased them, the ride and handling would be awful!
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 15:26 (Ref:853749)   #3
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Yo Dunc you bad @@@@'s dude now we're out of sight out of mind we can get tips on how to make things work properly! If you are going to cover up your springs with gaiters then no one will see them!

On the landrovers we used to put a PTFE disc in between the leaves (one disc at each end of each leaf) the discs were turned with a nipple (OMG thats the sort of thing that got us last time)in the centre which located in a small hole drilled in each leaf. Worked a treat on the landie although it was being helped out by a pair of konis at each corner - cornered nice and flat at speed and lots of response on the knarly off road stuff righto old boy back to other place demeanour, no more petrol head speak

ps Evo VI is way better than WRX

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Old 28 Jan 2004, 15:43 (Ref:853777)   #4
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Interesting thought using PTFE - I've some PTFE grease at home I could try.

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PS Too true - most WRX drivers would drive EVO VI's if they could put up with the ridiculously small range!
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 15:50 (Ref:853792)   #5
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Yes Evo was a bit like that, had a few close moments with it but as you would have noticed at Brooklands, I have the luxury of a man and support vehicle (Norton used a tank of gas before we reached Brooklands, had it half refuelled as the motorway cops pulled in to see what the problem was, I declined their offer of a push and tried not to make too much noise as I pulled away - apparently, my man tells me, there were comments about how does he get an MOT as I was leaving Brooklands - won't embarrass my pet MOT man here but he is the best!)

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ps Evo VI is way better than WRX
Now you have really confused me what the hell is EVO VI & WRx? will it make my new Brasier/Hispano lump/project handle better? Is it some sort of WD40 for modern plastic flying tea trays?

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Old 28 Jan 2004, 17:51 (Ref:853975)   #7
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Hold up there Mike, whilst I am sure the tanks on your edwardian leviathon's might hold one or both of the aforementioned oddities I can't imagine it would improve the performance. They are outrageous homologation specials giving rise to the respective manufacturers rally cars:
Evo IV = Mitsubishi Lancer Evolution Mark 6 (which I used to have) WRX = Subaru Impreza WRX (which is what Bugeye used to have until it went to be replaced with one of Henry's finest - and I would think that is probably the most unique and eccentric trade-in in the universe. Ever.)
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They have a top polling system, seems you don't get to view the results until you vote - motivates you to vote and means you are uninfluenced by the current postings.
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 18:12 (Ref:854003)   #9
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Good here innit?
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Old 28 Jan 2004, 19:02 (Ref:854083)   #10
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I think that you'll agree that neither the EVO nor WRX give you such an impression of speed as a Vintage car, and that you have to be travelling close to the limit for them to be at their best. Given that 50 mph is close to the limit (even in as straight line as is possible in a Model A) I have a lot more fun in Vicky!

It is possible to see the current state of a Vote prior to voting by clicking on the link next to the Vote button, but I think the feature (like many others here) is superb.

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The EVO and the WRX are both four wheel drive cars with limited slip diffs, so can really make use of the power. I've always wondered whether it'd be possible to put an aero-engine in a Spyker chassis and get the best of both worlds - rally style traction allied with awesome power.

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Old 29 Jan 2004, 10:08 (Ref:854867)   #11
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Duncan, think you answer the question, niether of us own them anymore but we still have vintage stuff. I am always trying to explain to people that 80 / 90 mph on the Norton is much more exciting / terrifying than 170 on the superbikes I used to play with. And the bikes and Evo both interrupted the continuity of my licence

on the other hand driving to work in the snow today, clear blue sky made me very nostalgic for a snow covered gravel back road and just 1 more run in the Evo.
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The Model A is ecellent on snow in icy conditions, I know, I lived in Scotland, far better than most fwd moderns.
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Old 29 Jan 2004, 16:44 (Ref:855310)   #13
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Well my rear springs on the 12/4 are wrapped in plumbers pre-greased pipe lagging. Seems to do the business. Up front...springs are string-bound. Brooklands is just given a few squirts of thin oil from time to time but rarely goes out on the road...usually on track or the grass (perhaps it's the springs!)
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Woofly, I loved that Norton. Remember Roger Buxton's EVO6 towcar for the T.51?
Duncan, why not take a leaf (Ha!) out of the manufacturers book. The Rolls Nice brigade used grease (Wasn't it a save the whales problem . . . ?) inside leather. My brand new set arrived greased. The engineering oils we have tried on leathers seem to rot, degrade or harden the skins. The emulsification with road wash rapidly dispersed the effective lubricating and protective effects.
Father used to cluck at my dry leaf-springs and took opportunity to grease the things as soon as he could.
As for shear: Plum is a rock and roll Yank Tank. The soft suspension is the nature of the beast. Unless you are going to fit virtually-rigid, heavy-duty springs and make her into a street rod (has Woofly been giving you ideas?) . . . um, where was I?

The PTFE pads sound seriously good alternatives and of course are dry. PTFE is susceptible to wear. I wonder how long they last? The water repellant marine greases have some appeal. {Is this one for Andy?}

What is the source of all these Hispano motors that are appearing, Mike? The Curtiss Jenny OX engines are fairly common in the US.... but Wolseley Viper/Hispanos? Why not hunt out a Renault or one of the Salis Collection left-overs? When in Rome, old bean!
ps I'll be at the Pom, too.
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Very hard to find the early V8 Hispano engines, tho I know of three of the later V12 engines, 625hp one brand new.
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