GT 90's Revival - What happened? - Page 3

minimangler · 10 May 2008, 11:38 (Ref:2198167)

I agree to an extent, courageous, but a) that's not in Stephane's best interests (a fast old prototype would beat his GT1s) and b) courage C65 is far to new.

I think he just needs to cut entry fees, and have a big race alongside the championship somewhere, just one big race. That would be encouraging for competitors.

hurstg01 · 10 May 2008, 12:07 (Ref:2198180)

Flourent Moulin, how did your Viper seem compared to the Mclaren? Was there a comparable perfomance on the straight but the corners were all the Mclarens? Did you speak to the Lanzante guys / C Glasel about the F1 at all, and if you don't mind me asking who prepares your Viper for racing?

wekatz · 12 May 2008, 19:44 (Ref:2200415)

You can view a short highlightvideo about the races in Hockenheim at my website: http://www.racingvideosonline.at/v2/...mid=24&lang=de

Werner

minimangler · 12 May 2008, 22:31 (Ref:2200556)

Is that Dave Weltz's old 993?

hurstg01 · 13 May 2008, 17:51 (Ref:2201385)

Quote:

Originally Posted by wekatz

You can view a short highlightvideo about the races in Hockenheim at my website: http://www.racingvideosonline.at/v2/...mid=24&lang=de

Werner

Cheers for that, some great sounds there!

old man · 14 May 2008, 11:32 (Ref:2202029)

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Originally Posted by geeteeone

The F1 GTR is cost effective to run relative to other GT1 cars - the engine, being very close to the road version and relatively unstressed, requires comparatively few rebuilds. Back in 1996, the BBA McLaren team went through the entire BPR season without ever rebuilding their V12! The only time they had any problem with it was when an Oxygen sensor failed.

The EMKA McLaren team, when they ran an F1 GTR in British GT, only needed one spare engine.

They did have one engine failure when I was at Snetterton as I recall, 1999 I think and Sugden drove on his own as car owner O'Rourke was ill, the lap time difference between the two was quite large and normally O'Rourke would do the minimum he was allowed. The rule was that if a single driver was used he had a compulsory 1 minute stop and after that Sugden led by almost a full lap when the engine went.

Speedblood · 14 May 2008, 17:35 (Ref:2202349)

It's strange but the best turnout for the series so far was at the very first event at Silverstone. As most of the competitors were British in that race, could that have something to do with it? Looks like Giroix and the Italia Porsche GT1 didn't mind the trip either.
But i agree that if they had followed a mpore profile series (FIA GT) maybe that would work.

old man · 15 May 2008, 08:56 (Ref:2202879)

Reading the posts again from Florent Moulin, as I recall it was Paul Knapfield who, having bought the McLaren had nowhere to race it and so approached SRO - hence the Silverstone event, He turned out for practice but could not get tyres which, as Florent says, are a problem for this car and so did not run

If he still has the car and can get new tyres I am sure he would run, what did the Fina car run?

geeteeone · 15 May 2008, 15:23 (Ref:2203180)

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Originally Posted by old man

They did have one engine failure when I was at Snetterton as I recall, 1999 I think and Sugden drove on his own as car owner O'Rourke was ill, the lap time difference between the two was quite large and normally O'Rourke would do the minimum he was allowed. The rule was that if a single driver was used he had a compulsory 1 minute stop and after that Sugden led by almost a full lap when the engine went.

You're quite correct - Sugden did retire with engine problems at Snetterton (not a complete failure though). This was the only time that they ever had to replace an engine in the two seasons that they ran the McLaren.

Fantastic engine that, perfectly suited to GT racing due to the torque characteristics, and so close to the road engine as to render rebuilds virtually unnecessary.

geeteeone · 15 May 2008, 15:28 (Ref:2203185)

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Originally Posted by Speedblood

It's strange but the best turnout for the series so far was at the very first event at Silverstone. As most of the competitors were British in that race, could that have something to do with it? Looks like Giroix and the Italia Porsche GT1 didn't mind the trip either.
But i agree that if they had followed a mpore profile series (FIA GT) maybe that would work.

Giroix's First Racing team and BMS were also running in GT/GT3 that weekend, so it was quite easy for them to bring an extra GT1 car along.

Paul Knapfield did finally get the McLaren out at Magny Cours last season, so I assume the tyre issue was sorted.

The failure of GT90s to get going really frustrates me - there must be so many cars out there suitable for the series.

Speedblood · 15 May 2008, 17:31 (Ref:2203288)

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Originally Posted by geeteeone

Giroix's First Racing team and BMS were also running in GT/GT3 that weekend, so it was quite easy for them to bring an extra GT1 car along.

Paul Knapfield did finally get the McLaren out at Magny Cours last season, so I assume the tyre issue was sorted.

The failure of GT90s to get going really frustrates me - there must be so many cars out there suitable for the series.

oops forgot about that. But that probably is an important link, bring more cars to one big event rather than take some to one big event and one car to a smaller less worthwhile one. Saves money, petrol etc.
I also am really annoyed to see it failing to take off as the first race saw lot's of potential and a good amount of interest. Not many series get over 20 cars applying for the first race of a new series with quite exotic machinery.

minimangler · 15 May 2008, 19:58 (Ref:2203393)

There were a LOT of fillers in that first race, if we're honest.

Speedblood · 15 May 2008, 20:16 (Ref:2203410)

seriously yeh there were...sadly.

But still at least it showed interest and willingness to participate. And all the cars fitted the category criteria. I know there not the most exciting race cars in the world, but i'm not going going to be able to see Ferrari 355, Venturi 400 etc race anywhere in person elsewhere (i think)

I think they just need to have another go at getting a round at a FIA GT event to see more potential again.

TheNewBob · 17 May 2008, 06:26 (Ref:2204526)

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Originally Posted by Speedblood

I think they just need to have another go at getting a round at a FIA GT event to see more potential again.

Well despite the low turnout of cars, GT90's was still a thousand times more interesting than those dreary Ferrari Challenge cars we had to endure this year. So it can't get much worse, really...

FLORENT MOULIN · 18 May 2008, 06:35 (Ref:2205172)

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Originally Posted by hurstg01

Flourent Moulin, how did your Viper seem compared to the Mclaren? Was there a comparable perfomance on the straight but the corners were all the Mclarens? Did you speak to the Lanzante guys / C Glasel about the F1 at all, and if you don't mind me asking who prepares your Viper for racing?

At Magny Cours last year Pau was not very fast in the first laps and I overtook him at the 2nd lap.

The Stealth won the race but used Dunlop tyres.

At Hockenheim Christian won the sunday race he was really fast.

For info to compare Viper Vs McLaren Perfomance at Le Mans 1998, the last year McLarens raced there the EMI - O'Rourke car ( now Paul's one ) about 10 sec quicker than the best of the factory Vipers.

the F1 is a GT1 car and the GTS-R GT2 !

Florent

Magny Cours :
Video here : http://www.gt90s-revival.com/
Pictures at : http://www.gt90s-revival.com/pics/Ma...urs/index.html
Hockenheim :
Pictures at : http://rides.webshots.com/album/563253878XsrzZF?start=0

FLORENT MOULIN · 18 May 2008, 06:39 (Ref:2205176)

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Originally Posted by geeteeone

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The failure of GT90s to get going really frustrates me - there must be so many cars out there suitable for the series.

me too !

minimangler · 18 May 2008, 14:34 (Ref:2205554)

interesting idea combining gt90s and gt4 in that video.

what a load of cack.

minimangler · 18 May 2008, 14:40 (Ref:2205563)

Yes please

http://www.gt90s-revival.com/pics/Ma...s/993GT2c.html

hurstg01 · 1 Jun 2008, 19:02 (Ref:2217065)

Does anyone have any info re entrants for the Dijon round?

FLORENT MOULIN · 3 Jun 2008, 19:45 (Ref:2219030)

Hi,

I will not paticipate as we prepare Goodwood FOS.

Will be at SPA in July however.

Best

Florent

hurstg01 · 3 Jun 2008, 20:25 (Ref:2219082)

Hope to see you at Goodwood then Florent, are you there on the Friday? Just in the paddock on a static display or are you going up the hill?

FLORENT MOULIN · 13 Jun 2008, 06:24 (Ref:2227502)

I will run a Lister Storm and a Viper GTSR.

Possibly a Benetton F1 also.

See you then.

Florent

hurstg01 · 10 Jul 2008, 19:12 (Ref:2248808)

I'll keep my eyes out tomorrow for you Florent!

hurstg01 · 16 Jul 2008, 18:34 (Ref:2252104)

Does anyone have any info re entrants / timings for this weekends Spa race?

Dauer 962 · 17 Jul 2008, 07:06 (Ref:2252438)

Does anyone have the results of the Dijon round?

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