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Old 5 Jul 2013, 03:55 (Ref:3274105)   #1
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Who is Reponsible for Mercedes Current "Success"?

Norbert Haug has not ruled out a return to the F1 paddock!

http://www.grandprix.com/ns/ns25809.html

The article raises the question as to who is responsible for the current success at Mercedes.

The "old guard" or the current bloated management structure?
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 09:12 (Ref:3274165)   #2
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I am sure that there are many people who will tell you it is all down to a new driver joining the team.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 09:12 (Ref:3274166)   #3
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 09:34 (Ref:3274173)   #4
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I'd say a combination of factors, ranging from being a full blown chassis and engine manufacturer, having two excellent drivers, some complex and random variables deliberately thrown in by the tire supplier which have thrown a number of teams of course, and some genuine genius behind the pit wall which is even able to shine through a bloated management structure.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 09:57 (Ref:3274178)   #5
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Pity Michael wasn't around now to reap the benefits. They go from best car in the field, to 3 years of crappiness then back to best in the field if they continue their current pace.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 10:56 (Ref:3274196)   #6
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ranging from being a full blown chassis and engine manufacturer,
Ah yes - the Tyrell Ilmor

When they were Brawn they had a Honda $$$$$ developed car and won. The first year they were Mercedes they had a Brawn $ developed car and it was a bit crap. Now they have a Mercedes $$$$$ developed car and it's good. Over simplistic I know (otherwise Toyota would have won stuff) but it's at least half the story. The current structure does look top heavy though doesn't it?
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 11:20 (Ref:3274203)   #7
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I think it's just a case of the chassis designers getting it right, plus maybe some barely legal mid season tire testing. Nothing against Hamilton, but it's not like they had 2 poor drivers before.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 13:00 (Ref:3274256)   #8
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I think they're finally getting there, no matter the reason, but I think it's the package.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 14:26 (Ref:3274296)   #9
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The FIA for letting them get away with an illegal tyre test.

Here's hoping the "new" rubber blows up in their face, without hurting anyone of course.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 14:48 (Ref:3274304)   #10
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Absolutely anybody other than Hamilton.

In all seriousness it will be a combination of factors. primarily lead by Mercedes's board desire to win and throw substantial investment at the team to "make it so" which then allows the procurement of the best staff (be they drivers, designers or teaboys).
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 15:07 (Ref:3274307)   #11
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Initially, I thought that was a sarcastic/trolling answer. Having thought about it, I think it might be the right answer. Or at least a significant part of the answer at least.
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Old 5 Jul 2013, 16:29 (Ref:3274343)   #12
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Initially, I thought that was a sarcastic/trolling answer. Having thought about it, I think it might be the right answer. Or at least a significant part of the answer at least.
Probably too simplistic but apart from the dodgy test, I suspect the fragile Pirelli's may actually be holding Merc back more than others... if their one lap pace is anything to go by.

Mercs success is no doubt a culmination of many different factors. Don't they have the largest budget on the grid to attract the very best possible talent for every crucial position in the team?

No disrespect to Lewis as he is definitely one of the quickest guys on the grid but I fully believe Merc would be doing just as well if they still had MS on board. Mike must be well peeved every other weekend at how good the Merc is now.

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Old 5 Jul 2013, 21:26 (Ref:3274439)   #13
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Regardless who is responsible....it is a very fast turn around.
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Old 6 Jul 2013, 16:57 (Ref:3274625)   #14
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It's awesome to see Mercedes back to the front... I don't think it's just Pirelli.
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Old 6 Jul 2013, 17:52 (Ref:3274637)   #15
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Here's hoping the "new" rubber blows up in their face, without hurting anyone of course.
I reckon I always felt it a bit shameful to actively wish ill will upon teams or drivers. I can't say that I've never done it, but I try not to. For example, I'd love for Lewis to win the race tomorrow, but I'm not going to wish for Vettel's engine to randomly blow or for a bizarre pit stop blunder to result in all four of his tires unexpectedly falling off.

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Absolutely anybody other than Hamilton.
It's cool to hate on the top competitors, evidently.
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I reckon I always felt it a bit shameful to actively wish ill will upon teams or drivers. I can't say that I've never done it, but I try not to. For example, I'd love for Lewis to win the race tomorrow, but I'm not going to wish for Vettel's engine to randomly blow or for a bizarre pit stop blunder to result in all four of his tires unexpectedly falling off.
I tend to agree although partly it's just that I don't want to see Vettel a victim of circumstance, I want to see him beaten fair and square By Kimi, Rosberg, Lulu, anyone really!

We can all dream.
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I tend to agree although partly it's just that I don't want to see Vettel a victim of circumstance, I want to see him beaten fair and square By Kimi, Rosberg, Lulu, anyone really!

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Good, I like it, so who is Lulu ?
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Pity Michael wasn't around now to reap the benefits.
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They go from best car in the field, to 3 years of crappiness then back to best in the field if they continue their current pace.
I think you may've exposed Michael!
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Nickname for Hamilton, in these parts.
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Surprised to see theres no one who slightly suspects that Michael just might of had something to do with it!
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McLaren & Ferrari, what?

Hamilton is still upset about Pirelli's tyres, but this time it's because they just didn't work on the Mercs. He seems hopeful that the Hungarian spec tyres will bring forth better results, but the 2012 Pirelli tyres never really did Merc any favours back then.

So, it could easily be argued that Mercedes didn't gain anything from the tyre test in Barcelona.
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I thought it was Britney?
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I thought it was Britney?
AFAIK, it's definitely Lew Lew.
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