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Note, I am just poking fun at you. I suspect in a way I am more like you in that I have a bit of an internal scorecard for drivers with a list of pluses and minuses. I tend to "like" drivers that seem to be nice guys and personable off track and tend to "dislike" drivers who are jerks in some way (on or off track). Whining is a negative! Skill also counts, but oddly enough I tend to like those who have to work hard at it vs. those who seem to have a natural gift and may not work as hard as others. I also have a habit of cheering for the underdog (which can be a fluid characterization that changes from seasons to season, race to race). With respect to Lewis and Nico, neither are in my top list of "favorites". I tend to like Nico a bit more than Lewis for various "scorecard" reasons. I admit I both cheered for Lewis loosing (character builder! ) and Nico winning (worked hard, kept eye on the ball and I like to see a variety in champions vs. dynastic winners). I have other drivers I would have rather seen at the front (such as Button which ticks most of my boxes, but that ship has sailed). Richard |
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Somebody may have mentioned this, but we keep being told, whether that is by the teams, the organisers and/or the media, that F1 is a team sport and that the drivers, mechanics, engineers, etc. are all part of that big family called the team. And if you go back through the history of F1, it has always been treated as being a team effort, and that it's policies were directed by the team bosses.
So, when, 50 or so years ago, the team boss put out a pit board for a driver to come into the pits, he did so immediately. And when the driver was told to hand his car over to his team-mate regardless of the championship standings, he did so. He may not have been happy - a huge understatement - but he followed instructions nevertheless. In this instance, Mercedes had allowed the drivers to fight it out throughout the season (as they did all the prior years), but with just a few laps to go, they were concerned that not only was Hamilton backing Rosberg up to the following cars, but that by doing so he was putting the race win in jeopardy, and so they told him to pick up his pace. The difference here was that with 5 laps to go, Hamilton had already come to the conclusion that he was highly unlikely to win the WDC no matter what he did, and he didn't care whether he won the last race of this year's championship. And that is what he told the team on the penultimate lap, basically I don't care because I'm not going to win the big prize. That is a) not sportsmanlike and b) not being a team player. |
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Lewis is out there to race, Nico is out there to race and not have Lewis park his car while Nico drives by ..
Lewis is not the property of Paddy or Toto Wolf , it's hard to beat someone like Lewis Nico that's why he is 3 times world champion ... |
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Back in the day the Ecclestone Brabhams never carried the driver names. Why? Because just like everybody else they were just employees. Today's heros would do well to remember that without their employers their lives would be very different - except Lance Stroll off course!
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What I can't work out is why Lewis thought the tactic would work. He needed to win the race to be champion. If Vettel got passed Rosberg, Lewis would have to speed up to keep the lead. That would be allow Rosberg to pull away from the Red Bull, which was on much older tires and not looking likely to get past. Factoring in that both Verstappen and Vettel would be well aware that knocking Rosberg out the race wouldn't be good for their image, it seems very unlikely he would win the championship backing Nico up.
He'd have done more good for his image and reputation in the team to pull away to make the race safe and then set up the perfect one-two photo with Rosberg on the finish line. He'd have looked good winning the race and won serious points with the marketing types, both in MB and his own sponsors. |
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Also by slowing down he wouldn't have stressed the tyres and possibly had enough to defend at the end
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The British press are really busting to see controversy Story Here
Imagine what would have happened had Mr Hamilton's plan worked |
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28 Nov 2016, 21:38 (Ref:3691889) | #162 | ||
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in all seriousness rosberg also said afterwards that hamilton was being very clever about it. he was backing him up in sectors 2 & 3 but firing it off into the distance in sector 1 so he couldn't get within drs and brick chucking distance. |
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28 Nov 2016, 22:38 (Ref:3691908) | #165 | ||
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I can't believe anyone seriously thinks that if Vettel or Verstapen had got past Rosberg, Hamilton would have done anything other than set a few fastest laps to ensure that he got the win......
Still, never going to sway the views of the haters.... |
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I think Jackie Stewart summed it up nicely after he heard the radio chatter toward the end of the race when he said "Lewis should have chosen to lose with dignity". |
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29 Nov 2016, 05:59 (Ref:3691961) | #168 | ||
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Yes it's a team sport to a certain degree, no man worth his salt would have rolled over and given the championship to Nico wikthout putting up a fight .
With the highest respect to Jackie Stewart, I think he is wrong at this moment .. |
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Would you like a team mate to try to sabotage you ? In any form of sport, maybe he should look up Tonya, kneecap you revival to win Sorry LH has lost a lot of respect as a sportsman. |
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This is it. Lewis has behaved like a spoiled child all season. The conspiracy theory, the press conferences,etc. He did nothing wrong with backing Nico up per se but his whole attitude throughout the year was one of entitlement.
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Furthermore, it's not a team sport to a certain degree; it's 100% a team sport. I earlier gave the example how 50 odd years ago drivers were called into the pits to hand their cars over. Well, up to this day, drivers and team personnel often repeat that their car only got across the line first, or whatever, because it was a team effort, right from the person sweeping the floors at the base to the driver of the car. You win and lose as a team, not as an individual. |
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As far as I'm concerned Lewis did the right thing in backing Rosberg up into the others - up until the point the team told him to speed up. At that point accept it's game over as far as the championship goes and leave them for dust. Lose with dignity.
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I have read all sorts of comments,both here and elsewhere,about why the drivers did what they did and the common link is that every writer was commenting on the drivers and the team's input into the race.Having been associated with German engineers professionally and socially I have no doubt that they would have preferred the silver cars to be as far as possible in front of all other cars in order to clearly demonstrate the level of superiority that their efforts have achieved.Allowing a red car or a blue car to get past a silver car would have made it appear that the opposition had reduced the overwhelming advantage.
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I agree with you, the petulance etc., but I thought he redeemed himself to a certain extent on the podium.
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