10 place penalty for Hamilton and Rosberg

[Born Racer]

The penalties do seem inconsistent, but that discussion aside, Hamilton and Rosberg probably deserved penalties, because that was an extra danger they created in the pitlane.

[alonso11]

Originally Posted by Ralf's Girl

I was just thinking that - they didn't actually ignore the light because they never left the pitlane...

doesnt quite seem that way to me

[ensign14]

Originally Posted by Hazard

The comparison between this incident and the Monaco one baffles me.

One's a driver losing control of his vehicle in treacherous conditions - the other is a driver paying no attention to the flags/lights/position of vehicles in front of him in a car he has total control of!

Yeah, so they're both driving mistakes that ended someone else's race. And it could be argued that Hamilton was at least confronted with an unusual situation (cars parked side-by-side in pit lane) whereas Kimi's came in the exact condition that they're paid to do.

Fact is, when Vettel crashed behind a safety car, he got no penalty. When Alonso braketested Coulthard, he got no penalty. When Schumacher pushed off Hill/Villeneuve/Hakkinen/Alonso, he got no penalty. And so on and so forth.

Alonso is 100 yards ahead of a Ferrari in practice - penalty. Hamilton hits a Ferrari - penalty.

The only question is whether it's pro-Ferrari or anti-McLaren.

[andy_b]

Originally Posted by Teretonga

The argument about ignoring lights isn't that valid. It would only be ignoring the light if you crossed the line that you weren't supposed to cross.

Watch the replay, I suspect that if Kimi wasnt there, lewis probably would have gone over the line anyway. If Lewis had stopped in time, then Rosberg would probably have gone into him still.

You know who I support, but in this case I think the penalty fits the crime. Its a simple rule. Red Light = Stop. Even Mrs Miggings down the road knows that one

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by ensign14

When Schumacher pushed off Hill/Villeneuve/Hakkinen/Alonso, he got no penalty.

When Schumacher crashed into Villeneuve he got a ridiculously exaggerated penalty, disproving all FIA-Ferrari conspiracy theories in one move.

[andy_b]

Originally Posted by alonso11

it does make sense, however, if its for hitting someone Im not sure why Nico got it then... he slightly hit the rear tire of someone causing zero damage to others and a relatively minor one to his ownself.

true, bit if Lewis had read his Highway Code and stopped, then Rosberg would have had an even bigger accident.

[Knowlesy]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

When Schumacher crashed into Villeneuve he got a ridiculously exaggerated penalty, disproving all FIA-Ferrari conspiracy theories in one move.

It is not really for this thread, but I assume you are joking right?

[Alan Raine]

Stupid mistakes, Stupid pit lane rules, Stupid penalties.

[ensign14]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

When Schumacher crashed into Villeneuve he got a ridiculously exaggerated penalty, disproving all FIA-Ferrari conspiracy theories in one move.

What Knowlesy said. He didn't get a penalty at all.

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by Knowlesy

It is not really for this thread, but I assume you are joking right?

I'm about as serious as the suggestion that the penalty against Hamilton is part of an anti-McLaren/pro-Ferrari conspiracy sounds.

(and yes, I think disqualifying him from the whole season was way harsh, but that's for another thread)

[JimW]

Much though I support Hamilton, his behaviour seems so stupid and dangerous that the stewards could not possibly ignore his actions. Whether or not he crossed any line is pretty irrelevant.

Pay attention people; He drove into the back of a stationary car in the pit lane. Doh.

Jim

[Knowlesy]

I don't think anyone is disputing it was a dumb thing to let happen.

[Hazard]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

When Schumacher crashed into Villeneuve he got a ridiculously exaggerated penalty, disproving all FIA-Ferrari conspiracy theories in one move.

Bit of an oldie though eh?

[PK Kart]

Originally Posted by Dead-Eye

When Schumacher crashed into Villeneuve he got a ridiculously exaggerated penalty, disproving all FIA-Ferrari conspiracy theories in one move.

That is the funniest thing i've read on here for a long time.

One of the biggest delibarate attempted sporting cheats of all time went unpunished. The fact that he was not banned from a few races or points deducted for the next season goes a long way to proving all FIA Ferrari conspiracy theories.

[Sheila M]

I'd like to add my personal thoughts here.

The lights at pit exit at the time of the accident were two flashing lights on the left hand side (they could have been red but looked more like amber) and FOUR constant blue lights on the right hand side.

Any driver half way down the pit line is unlikely to have seen the flashing lights as the blue lights are more visible at that point.

So, to penalise the drivers for ignoring lights would be incorrect IN MY VIEW as the lights were giving conflicting messages.

The stationary cars, however, were giving another message entirely. As Jim quite rightly says

Pay attention people; He drove into the back of a stationary car in the pit lane. Doh.

. That's what the penalty has been given for. An avoidable accident in the pit lane. End of.

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by Hazard

Bit of an oldie though eh?

I wasn't the one who brought it up first...

@PK Kart: I think I've made my opinion on that clear in another thread here before, so I won't go into it again...as Knowlesy said, it's not what this thread is about. But claiming it went unpunished is simply not true, although obviously you and I agree that it wasn't punished the way it should have been

[JurekB]

A couple of drivers ignored the red light last year at Montreal, I can't remember who but I think Massa was one of them. We could probably clear this up if we found out what penalties, if any, those drivers received and then decide on any inconsistancies and conspiracy theories.

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by JurekB

A couple of drivers ignored the red light last year at Montreal, I can't remember who but I think Massa was one of them. We could probably clear this up if we found out what penalties, if any, those drivers received and then decide on any inconsistancies and conspiracy theories.

Massa and Fisichella were both disqualified for driving through the read light.

[GolddustMini]

i think the penalties are justified, whimpering and not owning up that you made a mistake to ITV interviewer wasnt justified, think id have more respect if he just said "sorry mucked that one up, apologies to kimi, my bad"


pitlane light is there for a reason and is something he should be looking at as he exits the pitlane, which he clearly wasn't and lets face it as you pit from a safety car there is no way the train is going to be clear of the pit exit by the time you attempt to rejoin the track, therefore you should know your going to have to stop at the line. well thats my thoughts anyway


*grumbles something about us mortals getting 3 points and a £60 fine for skipping a red light and we dont even have to hit the car infront*

[ensign14]

Originally Posted by Sheila M

The stationary cars, however, were giving another message entirely. As Jim quite rightly says . That's what the penalty has been given for. An avoidable accident in the pit lane. End of.

The same avoidable accident that Kimi and Alonso each had in Monaco? That's the problem. Whatever the circumstances they were all "avoidable accidents".

[alonso11]

Originally Posted by ensign14

... When Alonso braketested Coulthard, he got no penalty. .

just for the record, the stewarts investigated that incident, accessed Renault's telemetry and found nothing. Nando braked at precisely the same braking point during the laps before the incident.

http://www.pitpass.com/fes_php/pitpa...es_art_id=6625

read it from the 4th paragraph onward in case you've spent year 2003 under a rock

[greenracer]

how was it that two cars were side by side kr and rk? I thought cars had to be single file once in the fast lane of the pit lane.maybe a penalty for kr for passing in pitlane.as for hamilton deserved penalty [car not running ] and rosberg's penalty should have been served during the race.

[Dead-Eye]

Originally Posted by greenracer

and rosberg's penalty should have been served during the race.

How? It didn't seem like he'd still be able to score points, so a penalty wouldn't have had any effect.

[James Elder]

Originally Posted by Sheila M

I'd like to add my personal thoughts here.

The lights at pit exit at the time of the accident were two flashing lights on the left hand side (they could have been red but looked more like amber) and FOUR constant blue lights on the right hand side.

Any driver half way down the pit line is unlikely to have seen the flashing lights as the blue lights are more visible at that point.

So, to penalise the drivers for ignoring lights would be incorrect IN MY VIEW as the lights were giving conflicting messages.

The stationary cars, however, were giving another message entirely. As Jim quite rightly says . That's what the penalty has been given for. An avoidable accident in the pit lane. End of.

At last someone has mentioned the blue lights! Both me and my Dad saw these on the telly, but ITV (with two former drivers) didn't mention them - I've even gone onto Youtube and found a video which shows the blue lights.

There are three blue lights and one alternating red light. Regardless of Hamilton's mistake, think of what a driver sees - three blue lights versus one red light - three constant blues is bigger, so will be noticed more, so it is more likely that the blue light will be seen (especially if you are stuck behind other cars and if the team don't give their driver a heads-up).

It was a daft incident, but the FIA need to sort out their signalling - you shouldn't have such conflicting signals at this level.

[Super Hans]

I like Hamilton as much as the next man, but he made a monumental gaffe today.

However, he did pay for it by losing an almost guaranteed victory and 10 points, therefore the penalty does seem unecessary.