What is wrong with Redbull?

[Casper]

Originally Posted by dsg

Ouch. But then again I think everyone else on the grid would likely be No2 to Verstappen, especially with Marko as the boss.

Normal operations may have to wait a few weeks until after Monaco.

I don't think Marko had any choice in promoting Verstappen, either do that or lose him was the stark reality that he faced. Everyone seems to think that favoritism played the biggest part when in reality it was in all probability just a cold blooded business deal which obviously will not excite the millions of forum experts on the internet.

[Casper]

I would not get too excited about RB's win, they are still nearly a second a lap behind Mercedes. Monaco will be a leveller but after that it will be MB and daylight second. I can't believe the hype that has occurred and lack of reality surrounding this race win as nothing has changed in reality, MB has not suddenly lost performance and no way RB has leap frogged Ferrari in real terms and now equals MB.

[chillibowl]

Originally Posted by Casper

I wonder what it feels like to know you have just become a No.2 driver for the rest of your time with RB?

feels like Webber to Renault.

[chillibowl]

looks like gtrmagic already made this joke in the race thread

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by Casper

I wonder what it feels like to know you have just become a No.2 driver for the rest of your time with RB?

Normal boring operations will resume when Mercedes return to the grid. RB and Ferrari are still nearly a second per lap behind when it is all said and done.

lol Daniel Ricciardo is still number 1 driver for RB.

[Alan52]

I hope (and am sure that) Dan is'nt panicking like some of the posters on here.Remember he out qualified Max and led the race all the way until the team got wrong footed on strategy.

[Moneyseeker]

Originally Posted by Alan52

I hope (and am sure that) Dan is'nt panicking like some of the posters on here.Remember he out qualified Max and led the race all the way until the team got wrong footed on strategy.

But also factor in that Max had not driven the car before FP1 and had never driven a race distance in it, that made it even more impressive to me.

[FAS33]

Originally Posted by Alan52

I hope (and am sure that) Dan is'nt panicking like some of the posters on here.Remember he out qualified Max and led the race all the way until the team got wrong footed on strategy.

Daniel never panicks. He asked the question why he was on the 3 stop strategy but everyone was saying it was the best option to win at the time. Didn't work out for him, but that's racing. Happens all the time.

[Casper]

Originally Posted by FAS33

lol Daniel Ricciardo is still number 1 driver for RB.

LOL, for this week anyway, enjoy it while you can because Verstappen is only going to get quicker which as an Ozzie I find rather depressing to tell the truth.

[chillibowl]

with all the talk about how ruthless the RB young drivers programme is...part of me feels Mclaren's programme is just as ruthless, if not more so, while offering far fewer opportunities to those involved.

[Paradise City]

It's all ruthless. Remember the shenanigans surrounding Schumacher's debut? Moreno got the boot from Benetton pretty sharpish and Jordan didn't know what hit him. I wonder if Schu hadn't his problem back then in Spa would he have that race? Indeed, the other car was in contention for victory that day..

Ricciardo looks set to be the Gerhard Berger of the 21st century. No doubt he'll be over shadowed by Verstappen.

[chunterer]

Originally Posted by Paradise City

It's all ruthless. Remember the shenanigans surrounding Schumacher's debut? Moreno got the boot from Benetton pretty sharpish and Jordan didn't know what hit him. I wonder if Schu hadn't his problem back then in Spa would he have that race? Indeed, the other car was in contention for victory that day..

Ricciardo looks set to be the Gerhard Berger of the 21st century. No doubt he'll be over shadowed by Verstappen.

Good one about Schu at Spa, very plausible isn't it?

I don't agree with the second part. Ricciardo made Vettel look fairly ordinary 2 years ago (although we still don't know the exact reasons for Seb's lack of pace) and he has already proven that he can seize the opportunities to go forwards in race when they come up (failed move on Vettel on Sunday aside!)

I guess it just depends on whether Marko wants to start favouring drivers in that team all over again. I suspect that won't happen until next year though at the earliest! Max needs to bed himself in more even though he won and Ricciardo has done enough good work for that lot in the last 2.5 seasons to deserve the right strategy calls.

Unless the insiders know something about his ultimate ability that we don't, of course!

[JoestForEver]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Good one about Schu at Spa, very plausible isn't it?

I don't agree with the second part. Ricciardo made Vettel look fairly ordinary 2 years ago (although we still don't know the exact reasons for Seb's lack of pace) and he has already proven that he can seize the opportunities to go forwards in race when they come up (failed move on Vettel on Sunday aside!)

I guess it just depends on whether Marko wants to start favouring drivers in that team all over again. I suspect that won't happen until next year though at the earliest! Max needs to bed himself in more even though he won and Ricciardo has done enough good work for that lot in the last 2.5 seasons to deserve the right strategy calls.

Unless the insiders know something about his ultimate ability that we don't, of course!

In 2014 I thought Vettel is just another lucky boy. But now, it all comes down to Red Bull having the best junior driver lineup in the whole paddock. Ric, Ves, Sainz, Kvyat and hell even JEV could be a world champion.

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[BSchneiderFan]

Does Vergne have a shot at a Ferrari seat next year, if - as I expect - they let Räikkonen go?

[djinvicta]

No. DR will be in the Ferrari seat

[Casper]

I still do not see the Verstappen promotion as ruthless unless you think Verstappen is the ruthless party which is more than possible, in fact probable. Move me up or we go elsewhere, Ferrari would seem to be the obvious place and RB had no choice but to agree.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Casper

I still do not see the Verstappen promotion as ruthless unless you think Verstappen is the ruthless party which is more than possible, in fact probable. Move me up or we go elsewhere, Ferrari would seem to be the obvious place and RB had no choice but to agree.

I don't quite see why Ferrari would be behind such a subterfuge, if it indeed it exists. It's not as if Verstappen was predicted to win the race, since his sudden move from TR to RBR.

This is more to do with the Renault deal and keeping DM happy.

[Casper]

The results in the race are not at issue, it is the move for Verstappen that occurred and led to the result that interest me and if RB had not agreed what the outcome would have been. Verstappen is very talented, either coached or natural might be debated and his path to the top team within the RB group was being blocked because there are only two seats so he either looks elsewhere (or says he will) or RB agree to promote him at the expense of one of their other drivers. Tin foil hat?? possibly, but in the end just good business dealings. I get the impression he has no intention of serving any sort of apprenticeship of any length and just wants to move onward and upward.

[bjohnsonsmith]

Originally Posted by Casper

The results in the race are not at issue, it is the move for Verstappen that occurred and led to the result that interest me and if RB had not agreed what the outcome would have been. Verstappen is very talented, either coached or natural might be debated and his path to the top team within the RB group was being blocked because there are only two seats so he either looks elsewhere (or says he will) or RB agree to promote him at the expense of one of their other drivers. Tin foil hat?? possibly, but in the end just good business dealings. I get the impression he has no intention of serving any sort of apprenticeship of any length and just wants to move onward and upward.

''onward and upward''; he's sitting pretty.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by Casper

I get the impression he has no intention of serving any sort of apprenticeship of any length and just wants to move onward and upward.

Is that Mr M.Verstappen's view or Mr J.Verstappen's?

It can't be a coincidence that having manoeuvred Mr M.Verstappen into the top team that This has now happened...

There is nothing left to do...

[dsg]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

There is nothing left to do...

Or possibly it was part of the deal. Red Bull agreed to promote MV, otherwise they would lose him, but added a rider that JV step aside.

[GTRMagic]

Originally Posted by dsg

Or possibly it was part of the deal. Red Bull agreed to promote MV, otherwise they would lose him, but added a rider that JV step aside.

Very possible...

[Neppatsrev Xam]

Originally Posted by GTRMagic

Is that Mr M.Verstappen's view or Mr J.Verstappen's?

It can't be a coincidence that having manoeuvred Mr M.Verstappen into the top team that This has now happened...

There is nothing left to do...

that story is not true

http://www.motorsport-total.com/f1/n...agement-falsch

[Paradise City]

Originally Posted by chunterer

Good one about Schu at Spa, very plausible isn't it?

I don't agree with the second part. Ricciardo made Vettel look fairly ordinary 2 years ago (although we still don't know the exact reasons for Seb's lack of pace) and he has already proven that he can seize the opportunities to go forwards in race when they come up (failed move on Vettel on Sunday aside!)

I guess it just depends on whether Marko wants to start favouring drivers in that team all over again. I suspect that won't happen until next year though at the earliest! Max needs to bed himself in more even though he won and Ricciardo has done enough good work for that lot in the last 2.5 seasons to deserve the right strategy calls.

Unless the insiders know something about his ultimate ability that we don't, of course!

Well, Vettel had such a drop in form it seemed attributable to the change in regs in which Vettel wasn't able to come to terms with. Berger was a very strong driver in his day above the likes of perennial number two Jochen Mass, for example, who was reliable and steady but lacked pace. DR is more a Berger type and has that speed but it seems quite likely to me he'll be overshadowed by Verstappen such is the Dutchman's talent.

[BSchneiderFan]

Ricciardo vs Verstappen is going to be fascinating. If DR can handle Max, his stock will rise very highly indeed (I already rate him as a very quick driver). But do the powers that be at Red Bull want two drivers going at it hammer-and-tongs, or do they want a star and a rear gunner ("Not bad for a number two")? History might suggest the latter, in which case Ricciardo might have to look elsewhere.