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Old 23 Sep 2015, 06:50 (Ref:3576256)   #26
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Ricciardo demolished on occasion. Sometimes RBR put him on a better strategy. Sometimes Vettel messed up. Sometimes Ricciardo was too good.

Kvyat has been more than a match as of late, however.
Don't think there have been that many races where Kvyat has actually outpaced Ricciardo this year to be honest. He's been solid, but was very fortunate to be ahead of Ricciardo in the points until recently. When the car has really worked like in Singapore, it was Ricciardo who was absolutely inch perfect and Kvyat who fell back.

Don't get me wrong, Kvyat's good, and for Red Bull to promote him so quickly despite Vergne generally outperforming him in 2014 then must see something in him big time, but I'm not sure I quite see it yet. Which is why I do wonder how long he'll have that seat with Verstappen waiting in the wings.
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Old 29 Oct 2015, 09:24 (Ref:3586351)   #27
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Update after USA:

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| TEAM    AUS MAL CHI BAH SPA MON CAN AUT GBR HUN BEL ITA SIN JAP RUS USA =  TOT   WTOT  | Better team mate    |       |
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| HAM-ROS  11  11  11  11  00  10  11  10  11  11  11  11  10  01  01  01 = 24- 8  36-12 | HAM 99.3% Busted!   | 99.0% |
| VET-RAI  11  11  11  10  11  11  00  11  11  11  10  01  11  11  11  11 = 27- 5  40- 8 | VET 100%  Busted!   | 99.9% |
| BOT-MAS  --  01  00  11  11  01  11  00  00  10  10  00  11  11  10  00 = 15-15  22-23 |(MAS)00%   Equality  | 00%   |
| RIC-KVY  11  10  11  11  01  10  00  01  00  10  10  -1  11  10  10  11 = 19-12  27-20 | RIC 72%   Advantage | 50%   |
| VER-SAI  00  01  10  01  00  00  00  11  00  11  01  -0  11  01  -1  11 = 14-16  23-23 | SAI 14%   Equality  | 00%   |
| ALO-BUT  --  00  01  11  10  00  10  10  11  11  01  00  10  11  00  10 = 15-15  21-24 |(BUT)00%   Equality  | 18%   |
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  • Hamilton and Vettel have won their team mates in an indubitable way.
  • In Williams, Toro Rosso and McLaren there are an almost absolute parity.
  • Ricciardo has advantage over Kviat but it is not statistically significant, so it is not "proved" (i.e. it could be due to randomness).
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Old 29 Oct 2015, 12:23 (Ref:3586380)   #28
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I have done an added stat from the data in the former table. I have searched for any positive or negative trend in each pair, that is if any driver has gone better or worse over the season, or perhaps there is not any significant variation. Also, I have searched for any "quadratic" trend, i.e. if there has been any "double trend" for a driver, firstly improving and then worsening again or the opposite, firstly going worse and then getting better.

In 4 of the 6 pairs, there not any significant trend between both drivers. However in two teams there are a significant trend, a trend very probably not due to randomness/luck.

VER-SAI: With a level of "confidence" of 96% about it, one can see a positive trend for Verstappen. The crossover point was around GBR and HUN GPs. During the first 9 GPs, Sainz mostly had the edge, but in the last 7 Verstappen is tending to get ahead.

RIC-KVY: There is not any general positive or negative general trend, but it can be seen pretty significantly (98% "confidence") that during the middle of the season Ricciardo lost his advantage over Kviat. In an ample period, from Monaco to Spa, Ricciardo was unable (due to several circumstances) to have good results against his team mate. Anyway, at no time Kviat had a real advantage over the Australian. After that period, Ricciardo is again commanding the team somehow.
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Old 4 Nov 2015, 09:48 (Ref:3588068)   #29
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| TEAM    AUS MAL CHI BAH SPA MON CAN AUT GBR HUN BEL ITA SIN JAP RUS USA MEX =  TOT   WTOT  | Better team mate    |       |
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| HAM-ROS  11  11  11  11  00  10  11  10  11  11  11  11  10  01  01  01  00 = 24-10  36-15 | HAM 97.6% Almost B! | 97.0% |
| VET-RAI  11  11  11  10  11  11  00  11  11  11  10  01  11  11  11  11  11 = 29- 5  43- 8 | VET 100%  Busted!   | 100%  |
| BOT-MAS  --  01  00  11  11  01  11  00  00  10  10  00  11  11  10  00  11 = 17-15  25-23 |(BOT)14%   Equality  |  9%   |
| RIC-KVY  11  10  11  11  01  10  00  01  00  10  10  -1  11  10  10  11  00 = 19-14  27-23 | RIC 51%   Equality  | 26%   |
| VER-SAI  00  01  10  01  00  00  00  11  00  11  01  -0  11  01  -1  11  11 = 16-16  26-23 |(VER) 0%   Equality  | 17%   |
| ALO-BUT  --  00  01  11  10  00  10  10  11  11  01  00  10  11  00  10  10 = 16-16  22-26 |(BUT) 0%   Equality  | 26%   |
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Old 4 Nov 2015, 11:01 (Ref:3588080)   #30
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funny to see these statistics but in fact Verstappen is totally dominating Sainz by now,in the beginning of the year Sainz might have had the upper hand in qualifying but even that has changed now.
Verstappen is not only faster, he is smarter in coping with car troubles, tyre wear etc. etc.
For an 18 year old with not much experience he is putting himself high up the ladder!
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Old 4 Nov 2015, 11:55 (Ref:3588088)   #31
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funny to see these statistics but in fact Verstappen is totally dominating Sainz by now,
Errrr - you're watching through orange tinted glasses there my friend. Verstappen has the edge but Sainz is very close in terms of overall performance. Both have done exceptionally well this season (far better than I expected from either of them) but Verstappen only has a slim advantage over Sainz - "totally dominating" is simply not the case.
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Sainz has started to make too many silly mistakes in recent races. Crashes, pit lane infringements etc. He seemed to be keeping it clean earlier in the year.
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Sainz has started to make too many silly mistakes in recent races. Crashes, pit lane infringements etc. He seemed to be keeping it clean earlier in the year.
Said the chairman of the Max fanclub!

Sainz has the pace to compete with him it's clear, but you are right, he has made a lot of mistakes which suggests he is not handling the pressure or just pushing on too hard.
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I am certainly not in Max's fanclub yet despite all the hype. I think he will be very good, but yet again Torro Rosso have put 2 complete rookies in the car so it's difficult / impossible to know how good they are unless they are up against a teammate of known quality.
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Said the chairman of the Max fanclub!

Sainz has the pace to compete with him it's clear, but you are right, he has made a lot of mistakes which suggests he is not handling the pressure or just pushing on too hard.
it is very true that Sainz seems to make a lot of mistakes last races, that has nothing to do with beeing a Max fan or not: everyone should be able to see that Sainz has made more mistakes than Max and that Max had been quicker in the 2nd half of the season(if you look at the driver points and see Max at 47 and Sainz at 18 that's very obvious)
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In qualifying it's now 9-9 Sainz Jr and Boss Jr. It is officially even stevens.

Pretty good for Carlos to be as good as the legendary Max.
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The base pace of Sainz and Verstappen was very similar early in the season, but I do think Max has thrashed him recently and when you consider he's not only in his first season but 17/18 and with no previous racing experience above F3 level, is it any wonder he took half a season to get the upper hand on Sainz?

I'd expect Max will continue to pull away from Sainz now. Sainz has made a lot of mistakes and looked increasingly flaky (admittedly with a lot of bad luck thrown in) as Max has settled into it.
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Another to Max, although it would be nice to get a straight race for both of them.
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I am certainly not in Max's fanclub yet despite all the hype. I think he will be very good, but yet again Torro Rosso have put 2 complete rookies in the car so it's difficult / impossible to know how good they are unless they are up against a teammate of known quality.
You're quite right I singled out the wrong Steve, apologies!

Sainz has had appalling reliability compared to his much lauded teammate this year though.

Otherwise I am sure they would have similar points for the season?
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You're quite right I singled out the wrong Steve, apologies!

Sainz has had appalling reliability compared to his much lauded teammate this year though.

Otherwise I am sure they would have similar points for the season?

no, absolutely not

Max had a lot more reliability problems in qualifying and had to start at the back of the grid more(also more engine changes)

and Max had more DNF's than Sainz in the beginning of the season, several of those when he was in a points scoring position.
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here's the numbers:

Max had 5 DNF's(was classified in China P17 but retired 2 laps before the finish when he was in P9) Sainz had 7

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toro_Rosso_STR10

not much between them in that considering Max had more bad luck in qualifying(like the turbo wastegate failure at Silverstone and the engine problems followed by a penalty for bodywork blowing of the car at Monza)
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