I hope we don't see the sponser sparse teams breaking lap records pre season!

RWC · 15 Jan 2003, 01:05 (Ref:474649)

It happens every year doesn't it?Even the honourable alain prost indulged in this shamefull trick.Of course arrows did it every year didn't they...?I hope jorden don't think any sponser will fall for such a thing.f1 has enough image probs as it is...

Wrex · 15 Jan 2003, 01:25 (Ref:474660)

Have Jordan posted any quick times? I think your jumping the gun RWC.

I agree though, it si a shameful trick, but not because of the sponsors. If they are silly enough to fall for it good for them.

It sucks because it gives us the fans hope. When you see a midfield team go quick you hope and pray it's real, only to be disappointed later.

Snrub · 15 Jan 2003, 02:57 (Ref:474694)

I fail to see the problem with this "farce." If Jordan stays in F1 as a result I would encourage them to do it.

From a fan "farce" perspective, don't put your hopes in pre-season testing. Everyone knows it's not a good indicator.

steve_r · 15 Jan 2003, 12:21 (Ref:474959)

Quote:

Originally posted by Wrex
It sucks because it gives us the fans hope. When you see a midfield team go quick you hope and pray it's real, only to be disappointed later.

There are worse things in the world. The only mildly irritating thing is that it might affect who I pick for my Fantasy F1 team.

RWC · 15 Jan 2003, 21:27 (Ref:475579)

"I fail to see the problem with this "farce." If Jordan stays in F1 as a result I would encourage them to do it"

Er,it's fraud mr snrub

RWC · 15 Jan 2003, 21:28 (Ref:475586)

PS-love the name..'snrub'.From the simpsons?

I Ate Yoko Ono · 15 Jan 2003, 21:46 (Ref:475614)

Quote:

Originally posted by RWC
"I fail to see the problem with this "farce." If Jordan stays in F1 as a result I would encourage them to do it"

Er,it's fraud mr snrub

Er, no it is not fraud at all. Perhaps Minardi should try it, they might get some backing. And you certainly couldn't see anyone being upset about it come Melbourne as everyone expects them to retain their usual spot at the back of the grid anyway.

woodbine · 15 Jan 2003, 21:59 (Ref:475634)

It's not fraud. After all they CAN do that sort of time. Just because the other teams are running different strategies it makes them look good.

Logrence · 16 Jan 2003, 01:57 (Ref:475837)

McLaren have been setting record times in pre-season testing - what does that do for your theory?

RWC · 16 Jan 2003, 03:21 (Ref:475891)

Jeez i can't believe you guys....

**Stephen Green** · 16 Jan 2003, 10:07 (Ref:476023)

You are also forgetting that the practice may give their sponsors extra advertising in the national and international press. That in itself makes it worthwhile!

Surely it's no different from Minardi being the first car on the track for qualifying so they grab the TV coverage for their sponsors?

Wrex · 16 Jan 2003, 10:20 (Ref:476032)

It's true Stephen.

Yoong actually held provisional pole postion in more races than Montoya last year. Not bad for someone that never qualified off the back row.

steve_r · 16 Jan 2003, 14:24 (Ref:476239)

Quote:

Originally posted by RWC
"
Er,it's fraud mr snrub

FRAUD!!!!

RWC · 16 Jan 2003, 23:48 (Ref:476736)

Yes fraud.
They were running those cars well underweight dipsticks

Logrence · 17 Jan 2003, 16:39 (Ref:477426)

Under the weight of rules which apply to Formula One races, not what are effectively track days when teams can do whatever they like with the cars.

Misleading, perhaps, but calling it fraud is laughable.

The Red BARon · 17 Jan 2003, 19:28 (Ref:477581)

Quote:

Originally posted by RWC
Yes fraud.
They were running those cars well underweight dipsticks

If you don't mind me saying so you're struggling with this one a little bit RWC with a quite laughable contention.

RWC · 18 Jan 2003, 07:51 (Ref:477982)

I'm struggling allright.I didn't know f1 fans in general were so imoral

Logrence · 18 Jan 2003, 14:04 (Ref:478187)

Post the legal jargon/precedent/FIA rules that says it is fraud and we'll eat our hats, I'm sure.

There are no scrutineers at these testing days except to make sure the cars are safe, so the teams can run the cars in whatever configuration they please, whether it's productive to the development of their car or not.

Snrub · 22 Jan 2003, 04:32 (Ref:482033)

No offense, but I can't comprehend why it's fraud. There are no rule in place that state you can't do that. It seems in testing they rarely work on putting in a truely hot qualifying lap. If anyone thinks Mindari is faster than ferrari because they did a qualifying lap and ferrari was seeing how long wet tires last in the dry on a full fuel load, that's their problem. Again, who's this hurting? Sponsors who put money on the lesser teams. I'm more than happy to have them "defrauded" of sponsorship.

And yes, Snrub is from the monorail episode, season 2 I believe.

golem · 22 Jan 2003, 16:46 (Ref:482568)

Misleading as to race pace, Yes. But as they said, not fraud.

To me it's a silly waste of time. Any time spent underweight is time spent not near race conditions working out what a chassis needs from the tyre supplier and the suspension setups in certain corners.

Tristan · 22 Jan 2003, 17:16 (Ref:482594)

I DO believe McLaren have done this this season. There were a few rumours ringing around last season from West that they might leave, and even that Mercedes were unhappy with the poor performance of the Illmorr engines.

I think to give them a pre season boost they ran their car underweight at Barcelona.

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