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And yes we did see what he did when he had a challenge in front of him at Monza. I always thought that the guy who's in front is the one that wins, and winning is what matters in F1... I must be wrong. |
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In isolation I would agree... But it's getting awfully repetitive now.
It doesn't matter if 99% of the time you are driving like an immortal if that other 1% of the time is preventing you from reaching your maximum result - and it happens on a frequent basis. Please don't misinterpret this as a bash on Hamilton... It's not in the slightest. It's more about the concept outlined at the start of the thread that Hamilton is uncontrollably in the wrong place at the wrong time - as if the universe has spelled out his fate and Lewis has no control over these situations... Please. |
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Digressing slightly, what happened to the yellow/red card system?
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If we are going to have to continue to talk about how good a race Hamilton is having because of all the exciting overtaking that he's doing, then it's also possible that we won't be talking about how easy it will be for him to become a multiple WDC.
He had a particularly poor start in Singapore, where, hopefully, memories of what happened in Canada stopped him from going down the inside of Webber. But his frustration begins from then on. Personally, I think that it's the current F1 cars that don't suit his style. Maybe overtaking just got too easy? But he certainly needed the DRS in Singapore. It seems to help the ones that need it. Typically the ones in a fast car that's out of position. |
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And herein lies the problem (imo). I get the impression that he felt that all he'd have to do is show up and job done, 3 or 4 times WDC. But it's his opponents that more than likely to achieve that. After all, who'd bet against Seb becoming a 3 time WDC before Lewis gets his 2nd?
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Send the boy to NASCAR for a year; that would sort out his arrogance in relation to his fellow competitors' right to occupy their own space on the race track. Somewhat ironic that it was Tony Stewart's Chevy that he drove earlier this year; of all people, Smoke could teach him the error of his ways.
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I never got the feeling that he has a grudge. Perhaps I have been looking for the wrong things. |
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if you then add to the mix that he's now a father, and he's had a life-threatening incident you can see why he's so conflicted. well, i can anyway. he's got reasons to question whether it's worth it, even if they're absolutely only part of his subconsious decisionmaking and not "well, i've got to think of my family" type factors. |
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Another wrong place/wrong time example as there were 60,000 there the day before
http://en.espnf1.com/f1/motorsport/story/60117.html |
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Oh there are so many examples...like the way he cried about Bourdais trying to overtake him at the 2008 Japanese GP and the outrageous way Bourdais was penalized whereas most pundits were expecting Massa to get sanctioned.
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"Now he knows not to try that again!" Respect has to be mutual, and apparently Hamilton sees Massa as a motox berm for assistance going round a corner. Calling Massa's behaviour in Singapore unprofessional is a bit steep Bella, or did you mean a pat on the back was an inappropriate reponse for what should have been a good smack over the head? |
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To Lewis' credit he has mentioned how well Jenson has been driving. See this :- http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/for...-superior.html If Jenson can take the number 2 spot in the WDC, or keep above Lewis, it will make his position look difficult. |
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Personally, I think Lewis's problem is three fold. Firstly, he was Ron Dennis's protégé, with the team and comfort zone built around Lewis and with this he successfully saw of Alonso.
However, Button has begun to errode this. Button took a back seat last year, being the new boy but showed he was a pretty good tactition with the tyres. This year, though I felt he was stymied by McLaren's race strategy earlier in the season, he has shown he can call the shots particularly on those tyre stops and with choice of tyre. This coupled with his smoother driving style has worked out well for him and I think this has rattled Lewis, while his natural, more aggressive style is not paying off, adding to his woes. Secondly I think Lewis has been at McLaren too long; a consequence of the comfort zone and team being built around him. The trouble is what other top team will take him? So far they all seem happy with their choices of driver; though we all know this can change at the drop of a hat, but with the incidents he has been involved in this season I don't think will enamour many teams right now. Thirdly I think his father's influence is missed. It's all very well being managed by some pop music promotion company but pop music's not motor racing. |
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if a driver is going to take the moral highground, he at least should *try* and do it properly! |
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Good to see Felipe is still passionate about his racing, and you can't say that he hasn't been severely provoked. Best he teaches Lewis respect the hardway, preferably when Lewis expects to get a decent result! With the debit column Lewis is working up I don't think he will be getting another WDC anytime soon, what goes around comes around - good luck mate! |
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I don't think there was any moral highground involved, I think Massa was simply annoyed with Hamilton's driving. I'm not even sure why we're making such a big fuss out of it, if it ended up in a fight then fair enough but it was just the usual sort of banter you'd find on the rugby or football feild after someone does something stupid or inept. |
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It's certainly no more unprofessional than doing it in the paddock, where the cameras will be watching in any case. If Massa is to be believed, he supposedly tried to talk to Hamilton before this "incident", but Hamilton ignored him. So...
I'm not sure about his father's influence. He had some rough patches in 2008 and 2009 when his father was still his manager (at least I think he still was in 2009). For example, crashing in the pitlane in Canada, and then getting himself a penalty in the next race for gaining an obvious advantage by cutting across a chicane while overtaking. 2009, there was the whole mess with lying about the Trulli incident in the first race. Unfortunately, I think it is just part of his character. But for the first half of the 2007 season, his driving has been littered with mistakes. He made quite a few in GP2 in 2006 as well. He makes more mistakes a season than the likes of Schumacher and Alonso do/did, and I'm sure if he was capable of limiting them then he would have done so by now. If Hamilton hadn't made such a brilliant start to his F1 career (which I think made him look better than he actually is, as his driving has been inconsistent ever since) then I doubt we would all be questioning him so much. I just hope that behind the scenes, McLaren are trying to help him rather than insist he doesn't need to change. He has to. If he doesn't, he won't win another championship. |
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Certainly, particularly where Vettel and Red Bull are concerned, Hamilton is always in the wrong place at the wrong time. But they're fine with that.
There would also have been a time when Webber would not have moved across on Hamilton at the start of a GP. He would usually have known that here was a driver that was coming through, no matter what. But now he knows better. And that's the difference between getting through to 3rd place or being pushed back to 8th. |
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