Official Round 16 - Korean Grand Prix - Page 3

**bjohnsonsmith** · 16 Oct 2011, 19:11 (Ref:2972065)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

I understand going to new places, because it is a World Championship.. Some are working quite well Singapore a great success and the vibe is electric.. Abu Dhabi a stunning facility..Bahrain rather a good circuit don't you think..Sepang Malaysia.. I like this one, not sure why? I just do..

In some cases it will work and others it won't. Take Turkey, great track no crowds and China's not doing particularly well with attendances either. Abu Dhabi is a rather spectacular venue but there's no motor-sport heritage in these places however much one tries to force it.

JeremySmith · 16 Oct 2011, 19:18 (Ref:2972071)

All things must pass, it's the natural order of things...

The only thing we cannot predict is change...

**bjohnsonsmith** · 16 Oct 2011, 19:20 (Ref:2972072)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

All things must pass, it's the natural order of things...

The only thing we cannot predict is change...

The truth you speak.

h4887 · 16 Oct 2011, 19:52 (Ref:2972087)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

The pit exit is nothing more that stupid as it just puts the exciting car straight into the apex of that corner..

Well, I suppose it's exciting for the driver...

JeremySmith · 16 Oct 2011, 19:59 (Ref:2972093)

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Originally Posted by h4887

Well, I suppose it's exciting for the driver...

LOL....

I think that is guaranteed...

**skycafe** · 16 Oct 2011, 20:05 (Ref:2972097)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

True it is their choice to spend this kind of money on facility contruction, but in the long run, it causes damage to the sport..

The pit exit is nothing more that stupid as it just puts the exciting car straight into the apex of that corner..

Agree on both counts.

**skycafe** · 16 Oct 2011, 20:10 (Ref:2972102)

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Originally Posted by JeremySmith

All things must pass, it's the natural order of things...

The only thing we cannot predict is change...

Kempi · 17 Oct 2011, 05:30 (Ref:2972428)

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but there's no motor-sport heritage in these places however much one tries to force it.

Before any track was built, there was no motorsport heritage there. It's something that comes with age. Give other places the chance to built up some heritage.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 17 Oct 2011, 14:37 (Ref:2972683)

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Originally Posted by Kempi

Before any track was built, there was no motorsport heritage there. It's something that comes with age. Give other places the chance to built up some heritage.

I doubt any motor-sport heritage will come with age in a lot of these places, it's not part of their culture.

JamesH · 17 Oct 2011, 14:49 (Ref:2972684)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I doubt any motor-sport heritage will come with age in a lot of these places, it's not part of their culture.

Before about 1894 it wasn't part of anyone's culture, and Brooklands was built in 1907, only just over 100 years ago. Time will tell. Give it 100 years, like we have had.

Marbot · 17 Oct 2011, 15:01 (Ref:2972691)

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Originally Posted by JamesH

Give it 100 years, like we have had.

Assuming that motor sport is still around in some form or another.

But, in some cases, the old saying will always remain so: You can take a horse to water, but you can never make it drink.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 17 Oct 2011, 15:56 (Ref:2972712)

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Originally Posted by JamesH

Before about 1894 it wasn't part of anyone's culture, and Brooklands was built in 1907, only just over 100 years ago. Time will tell. Give it 100 years, like we have had.

It has been over 100 years and in that time motor-sport has developed into the various forms of racing we have now and they haven't changed that much in the last 30 years. In those 30 years, what with greater TV coverage etc. one would have thought those countries without any motor-sports heritage, would have had greater exposure to motor-sport and would have developed some form of racing but it hasn't happened.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 17 Oct 2011, 15:59 (Ref:2972714)

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Originally Posted by Marbot

Assuming that motor sport is still around in some form or another.

But, in some cases, the old saying will always remain so: You can take a horse to water, but you can never make it drink.

Or as Stan Laurel said in the movie 'Way Out West', "You can lead a horse to water but a pencil must be led."

ujoint · 17 Oct 2011, 16:34 (Ref:2972733)

How long will this Bernie palaces last when the old dies? Just curious. My answer would be. Not long.

chillibowl · 17 Oct 2011, 19:02 (Ref:2972806)

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

I doubt any motor-sport heritage will come with age in a lot of these places, it's not part of their culture.

i hope that Korea will be different. they are one of the worlds largest auto manufactures so that means a huge manu work force and ancillary business connected to that industry. a lot of people derive their living from it, are knowledgeable about it, and take pride in it.

one of the big revelations from the past Winter Olympics was South Korea. dominant in speed skating but with their 2018 bid (approved?) be sure to see them in every other sport competing at the highest level.

surely winter sports (so typically Western in every facet) has no tradition in Korea but there they are competing nonetheless. China too for that matter.

perhaps they are unique in this regards compared to the other new countries but imo this is exactly the place F1 should be going.

**bjohnsonsmith** · 17 Oct 2011, 20:51 (Ref:2972900)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

i hope that Korea will be different. they are one of the worlds largest auto manufactures so that means a huge manu work force and ancillary business connected to that industry. a lot of people derive their living from it, are knowledgeable about it, and take pride in it.

one of the big revelations from the past Winter Olympics was South Korea. dominant in speed skating but with their 2018 bid (approved?) be sure to see them in every other sport competing at the highest level.

surely winter sports (so typically Western in every facet) has no tradition in Korea but there they are competing nonetheless. China too for that matter.

perhaps they are unique in this regards compared to the other new countries but imo this is exactly the place F1 should be going.

It's interesting how its car manufacturing hasn't led to a rise in home grown talent competing in motor-sport.

**Bononi** · 17 Oct 2011, 21:06 (Ref:2972911)

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Originally Posted by chillibowl

i hope that Korea will be different. they are one of the worlds largest auto manufactures so that means a huge manu work force and ancillary business connected to that industry. a lot of people derive their living from it, are knowledgeable about it, and take pride in it.

one of the big revelations from the past Winter Olympics was South Korea. dominant in speed skating but with their 2018 bid (approved?) be sure to see them in every other sport competing at the highest level.

surely winter sports (so typically Western in every facet) has no tradition in Korea but there they are competing nonetheless. China too for that matter.

perhaps they are unique in this regards compared to the other new countries but imo this is exactly the place F1 should be going.

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Originally Posted by bjohnsonsmith

It's interesting how its car manufacturing hasn't led to a rise in home grown talent competing in motor-sport.

Times are different, very different. All the new technologies have changed the way things are experienced. Nowadays you can have a very satisfying experience with a videogame without expending lots of money and even getting out of your house !

djinvicta · 17 Oct 2011, 21:36 (Ref:2972937)

Plus the fact they were only "given" passports to travel in 1989. They take a pride in their work and normally are given one weeks unpaid holiday a year. This is a Country that when the recession hit in the late 90s, the IMF bailed them out, but everyone was so ashamed, they all queued at the Banks, to give (yes, give) gold and their valuables to prop up the economy. I cant see it happening here!

mac · 17 Oct 2011, 22:29 (Ref:2972975)

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Originally Posted by skycafe

I just finished watching the speed rebroadcast: apparently the circuit was locked up and not opened again until this weekend, does Korea not have any motorsports at local level? Also mentioned on the speed coverage, when the team reoccupied their areas this year they found that their refrigerators still contained last year's food items left behind. Er, yuck. But how much could it have cost to have pulled in a temporary crew to clean up after last year's race, and to prepare for this years? The cost surely would be far less then the impression created from not doing it!

With apparently no development of a Korean motorsports culture, this does not seem to be a long term track, and if the commitment to the track is lacking then I can't see building the city around it since it doesn't seem needed at the time.

But, what do I know.

Apparently, there are possible impending developments in this area from the soonish-to-be new management at Hyundai/Kia...

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